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Apple Pie · Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: 100...

The Demonic Locusts

και τα ομοιωματα των ακριδων ομοια ιπποις ητοιμασμενοις εις πολεμον και επι τας κεφαλας αυτων ως στεφανοι ομοιοι χρυσω και τα προσωπα αυτων ως προσωπα ανθρωπων

kai ta omoiwmata twn akridwn omoia ippois htoimasmenois eis polemon kai epi tas kefalas autwn ws stefanoi omoioi crusw kai ta proswpa autwn ws proswpa anqrwpwn

Rev 9.7 And the likenesses of the locusts were like horses having been prepared for war; and on their heads as crowns, like gold; and their faces like the faces of men.

και ειχον θωρακας ως θωρακας σιδηρους και η φωνη των πτερυγων αυτων ως φωνη αρματων ιππων πολλων τρεχοντων εις πολεμον

kai eicon qwrakas ws qwrakas sidhrous kai h fwnh twn pterugwn autwn ws fwnh armatwn ippwn pollwn trecontwn eis polemon

Rev 9.9 And they had breastplates like iron breastplates; and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running to war.

και ουτως ειδον τους ιππους εν τη ορασει και τους καθημενους επ αυτων εχοντας θωρακας πυρινους και υακινθινους και θειωδεις και αι κεφαλαι των ιππων ως κεφαλαι λεοντων και εκ των στοματων αυτων εκπορευεται πυρ και καπνος και θειον

kai outws eidon tous ippous en th orasei kai tous kaqhmenous ep autwn econtas qwrakas purinous kai uakinqinous kai qeiwdeis kai ai kefalai twn ippwn ws kefalai leontwn kai ek twn stomatwn autwn ekporeuetai pur kai kapnos kai qeion

Rev 9.17 And so I saw in the vision the horses, and those sitting on them, having fire-colored breastplates, even dusky red and brimstone-like; and the heads of the horses as heads of lions; and out of their mouths come fire and smoke and brimstone.

Compare to 100.1…

وَالْعَدِيَتِ ضَبْحًا

WaalAAadiyati dabhan

100.1 And/by the horses of the warriors, blackening due to fire/changing color.

و = “wa”

“wa” definition:

An inseparable prefixed conjunction; and; also; but; whilst, at; together; with; together with. Connects words and clauses as a simple coordinative “and”. It is used as a conjunction, unrestricted conjunction, and is expressive of concomitance, particle used for swearing (by God).

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3049
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, p. 290
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 599
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 156
Arabic English Dictionary, J.G. Hava, p. 845 - 846

ال = “al”

“al” definition:

The definite article. In Arabic it is used to give the meaning of Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, The, and to denote comprehensiveness, that is to say all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.

Anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it.

It is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 74 - 75
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 25
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 7

عَدِيَتِ = “adiyati”

“adiyati” definition:

Feminine plural. The horsemen; i.e. the first, of the horsemen, that charge or assault, in a hostile, or predatory, incursion, especially; or horses making a hostile, or predatory, incursion. Panting; running; coursers; companies of warriors; chargers; horses of the warriors; wayfarers who run fast on their journey; swift horses, swift mares, the attacking forces; the horses. It comes from the root “ada”, which means he passed from it, namely, a thing, or an affair, to another, and left it, pass by, overlook, transgress, turn aside. He ran, or rose in his running; said of a man and of a horse; he ran vehemently; denoting a quick pace.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume five, pp.1977 - 1981
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 362 - 363
The Koran, Complete Dictionary & Literal Translation, Mohamed Ahmed, p. 73
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 95
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, pp. 122 - 123

وَالْعَدِيَتِ = “wa” + “al” + “adiyati” = “WaalAAadiyati” = and/by the horses of the warriors

Occurrences of “waalAAadiyati” in the Koran: 1
Location: 100.1

Occurrences of the root “ada” and its 48 forms in the Koran: 87
Locations: 2.36, 2.85, 2.97, 2.98(2x), 2.168, 2.190, 2.193, 2.208, 2.229, 3.103, 4.14, 4.30, 4.45, 4.92, 4.101, 5.2, 5.14, 5.62, 5.64, 5.82, 5.87, 5.91, 6.108, 6.112, 6.117, 6.142, 7.22, 7.24, 7.55, 7.89, 7.129, 7.163, 8.42(2x), 8.60(2x), 9.10, 9.46, 9.83, 9.114, 9.120, 10.74, 10.90, 12.5, 17.8(2x), 17.53, 18.50, 20.39(2x), 20.80, 20.117, 20.123, 23.7, 23.107, 25.31, 26.77, 26.166, 28.8, 28.15(3x), 28.19, 28.28, 35.6(2x), 36.60, 41.34, 43.62, 43.67, 46.6, 50.25, 58.8, 58.9, 60.1(2x), 60.2, 60.4, 60.7, 61.14, 63.4, 64.14, 65:1, 68.12, 70.31, 83.12, 100.1

Observe that the root and its 48 forms all refer to the devil, evil, enemy & disobedience…

ضَبْحًا = “dabhan”

“dabhan” definition:

Accusative case verbal noun. Fire has taken effect so as to alter its color. Panting, shallow, rapid and loud breathing; blackening due to fire, changing color. Panting and snoring. It comes from the root “dzabaha”, which means to pant, breathe in running (horses), snore; the horses breathed pantingly, or hard, with a sound from the chest; made the breathing to be heard when running; or breathed laboriously when fatigued; or caused a sound to be heard from their mouths different from neighing. The fire, and the sun, altered it; or altered its color; or altered it, but not in a great degree. He altered in it color by fire: he burned it in a portion of its upper parts. Ashes; so called because of the alteration of their color.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume five, pp.1763 - 1764
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 327
The Koran, Complete Dictionary & Literal Translation, Mohamed Ahmed, p. 239
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 112

Occurrences of “dabhan” in the Koran: 1
Location: 100.1

Occurrences of the root “dzabaha” and its 1 form in the Koran: 1
Location: 100.1

Summary of 100.1:

• The Book of Revelation dictates Koranic Eschatology
• Revelation details the vision of John, in which he describes the attributes of the demonic locusts
• John begins by describing images of the “hippos”, or horses, as being prepared for “polemos”, or warfare
• Observe that the initial description is given only to the demonic locusts themselves – it is only later, after they have gone out into the world, that they have picked up “kathemai”, or their riders
• 100.1 describes the demonic locusts after they have picked-up their riders
• 100.1 begins with “waal” which can be taken as a swearing by a thing
• The juxtaposed “al” informs us that “it is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader”
• Hence the material in this sura is not only very important, but it relates to something that is already known
• 100.1 elaborates on what is already known, by affixing the word “adiyati”, which tells us of the same warring horse images, and their riders, described by “the horsemen, that charge or assault, in a hostile, or predatory, incursion, especially; or horses making a hostile, or predatory, incursion”
• The root “ada” informs us that this is an evil thing related to the devil
• Revelation describes the horses, and those riding on them, as having iron breastplates
• The breastplates are described as being “purinos”, or fire – colored
• The color and description is detailed as being “huakinthinos”, or a red color bordering on black; and “theiodes”, or brimstone and sulphurous
• Likewise, 100.1 informs us via the verbal noun “dabhan”, that “fire has taken effect so as to alter its color; blackening due to fire, changing color”
• Further, the root “dzabaha” describes this as applying to horses.
• “Dzabaha” also tells us that “The fire, and the sun, altered it; or altered its color”; and special note as to the location “he burned it in a portion of its upper parts” –referring to the breastplates as mentioned in Revelation
• It is quite clear that sura 100 is referring to the Demonic Locusts as described in Revelation chapter 9

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Apple Pie · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:29 am Post subject:

The Demonic Locusts

και ουτως ειδον τους ιππους εν τη ορασει και τους καθημενους επ αυτων εχοντας θωρακας πυρινους και υακινθινους και θειωδεις και αι κεφαλαι των ιππων ως κεφαλαι λεοντων και εκ των στοματων αυτων εκπορευεται πυρ και καπνος και θειον

kai outws eidon tous ippous en th orasei kai tous kaqhmenous ep autwn econtas qwrakas purinous kai uakinqinous kai qeiwdeis kai ai kefalai twn ippwn ws kefalai leontwn kai ek twn stomatwn autwn ekporeuetai pur kai kapnos kai qeion

Rev 9.17 And so I saw in the vision the horses, and those sitting on them, having fire-colored breastplates, even dusky red and brimstone-like; and the heads of the horses as heads of lions; and out of their mouths come fire and smoke and brimstone.

υπο των τριων τουτων απεκτανθησαν το τριτον των ανθρωπων εκ του πυρος και εκ του καπνου και εκ του θειου του εκπορευομενου εκ των στοματων αυτων

apo twn triwn plhgwn toutwn apektanqhsan to triton twn anqrwpwn ek tou puros kai tou kapnou kai tou qeiou tou ekporeuomenou ek twn stomatwn autwn

Rev 9.18 By these three were killed the third part of men, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone coming out of their mouths.

Compare to 100.2…

فَالْمُورِيَتِ قَدْحًا

Faalmooriyati qadhan

100.2 So the igniters of fire are fire striking.

ف = “fa”

“fa” definition:

A prefixed inseparable conjunction particle having conjunctive power. A particle of classification or gradation which sometimes unites single words, indicating that the objects enumerated immediately succeed or are closely behind one another; but more usually connects two clauses, showing either that the latter is immediately subsequent to the former in time, or that it is connected with it by some internal link, such as that of cause and effect. It implies a close connection between the sentences before and after it. This connection may be either definite cause and effect or a natural sequence of events signifying; And, Then; For; Therefore; So that; So; In order that; In that case; In consequence; Afterwards; At least; Lest; Because; For fear of; Truly, After, By; But; Thus; Consequently; In order to. It is also expletive, and a prefix to other particles.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume six, pp. 2321 – 2323
A Grammar of the Arabic Language, W. Wright, Third edition, volume 1, pp. 290 - 291
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 414

ال = “al”

“al” definition:

The definite article. In Arabic it is used to give the meaning of Most, All, Complete, Maximum, Whole, The, and to denote comprehensiveness, that is to say all aspects or categories of a subject, or to denote perfection and includes all degrees and grades.

Anything which has a quality requiring it to be regarded as sacred, or inviolable; which has some right pertaining to it.

It is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 74 - 75
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 25
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 7

مُورِيَتِ = “mooriyati”

“mooriyati” definition:

Masculine plural. The strikers, igniters (of fire). It comes from the root, “wara”, which means produced its fire, to eat away the interior of the body, hide, conceal.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume eight, p. 3052
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 607
The Koran, Complete Dictionary & Literal Translation, Mohamed Ahmed, p. 275

فَالْمُورِيَتِ = “fa” + “al” + “mooriyati” = “Faalmooriyati” = so the igniters of fire

Occurrences of ““Faalmooriyati” in the Koran: 1
Location: 100:2

Occurrences of the root “wara” and its sixteen forms in the Koran: 32
Location: 2.91, 2.101, 3.187, 4.24, 4.102, 5.31(2x), 6.94, 7.20, 7.26, 16.59, 11.71, 11.92, 14.16, 14.17, 16.59, 18.79, 19.5, 23.7, 23.100, 33.53, 38.32, 42.51, 45.10, 49.4, 56.71, 59.14, 70.31, 76.27, 84.10, 85.20, 100.2

Observe the usage of the root derivatives applies to hiding, hidden, concealed…in many instances in relation to the devil and hell…

قَدْحًا = “qadhan”

“qadhan” definition:

Striking of fire, fire striking, sparking, decaying. It comes from the root “qadaha”, which means the worm, or worms, affected a cankering, or corrosion; to dash or strike fine with (a steel). An epithet. A thing that cankers or corrodes in teeth.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume seven, p. 2492 - 2494
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, p. 444
The Koran, Complete Dictionary & Literal Translation, Mohamed Ahmed, p. 306

Occurrences of “qadhan” in the Koran: 1
Location: 100.2

Occurrences of the root “qadaha” in the Koran: 1
Location: 100.2

Summary of 100.2:

• The Book of Revelation dictates Koranic Eschatology
• John’s vision of the demonic locusts continues by informing us that out of the “stoma”, or mouths, of the horses, comes “pur”, or fire; “kapnos”, or smoke, and “theion”, or brimstone
• Hence, three things are emitted from the horse’s mouths: Fire; Smoke; Brimstone
• 100.2 begins with the copulative particle “fa”, which indicates a close connection between the sentences before and after it; signifying either definite cause and effect or a natural sequence of events
• Juxtaposed to “fa” is “al” which informs us that “it is also used to indicate something which has already been mentioned or a concept of which is in the mind of the writer or reader”
• Thus, the material contained in 100.2 is previously known material, and is a continuation (or effect) of the attributes ascribed unto the horses contained in 100.1
• The plural “mooriyati” and its root “wara”, tells us that fire is being produced
• The production of fire is an effect of the horses, as described in 100.1
• Examining all 32 Koranic usages of the root derivatives of “wara” shows that it applies to hiding, being hidden, concealed…and, in many instances, in relation to the devil and hell
• Revelation explains that the three described plagues (Fire, Smoke, Brimstone) issuing from the horses mouths, will “apokteino”, or kill a third part of mankind
• 100.2 continues further with the word “qadhan”, which informs us of the striking of the fire that is being produced in the horses via “mooriyati” and its root “wara”
• The epithet root “qadaha” informs us the origin of the fire via the definition “a thing that cankers or corrodes in teeth”
• The mention of teeth informs us that the fire emanates from the mouth (i.e. the mouths of the horses)
• Further, the description of cankers and corrosion of the teeth would indicate the Brimstone (sulfur), also emanates from the horses mouths, as described in Revelation
• The author’s of the Koran attempted to hold close to John’s detailed description of the Demonic Locusts, as 100.1 & 100.2 have already provided the following parallels to Revelation chapter 9:

1. They were once hidden or concealed
2. They are likened to Horses prepared for war
3. The Horses have riders
4. Adorned with Fire-colored Breastplates
5. Fire issues from their mouths
6. Brimstone issues from their mouths
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If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe; how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 3. 12

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Apple, you're quite the sophist... You attack me for having my own opinions and not quoting others: