Misunderstanding of Founding Fathers' Intentions

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Welcome to our new Separation of Church and State forum!

I'll kick things off.

I had a friend tell me once (conservative, Calvary Chapel) that they were very tired of people twisting the Separation of Church and State provisions by the founding fathers. My friend said that the separation of church and state was just to prevent the government from declaring a state church, like England had done at the time of the US Constitution.

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ChristineS · Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

I am of the considered opinion that Church and Government should have nothing to do with each other. They don't belong together. Jesus did not get involved with The Roman empire in the slightest, outside of telling his people to pay taxes. (Pay to Caeser what belongs to Caeser, etc).
I vote, I pay my taxes, I even pray for my Gov't (they need it!!!) but I don't combine Religion with Politics at all. Wink

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bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

Satan enters in to everything he can to pervert(twist out of designed shape in greek) every good thing. The best lies are twisted truth. The seperation clause is not a seperation designed to keep God out of government, on the contrary, it was to keep the governments nose out of the worship practices of the people. Now the people are being told where and when thy may express their faith which is the antithisis of the intent of the language. Now political correctness has people wondering if they are offending their co-workers or neighbors by even the mention of God as a real entity. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment... or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...or abridging the freedom of speach. How well has satan twisted the intent of such a straight forward statement.

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Flashman · Pit Bull Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: MO

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Flashman · Pit Bull Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: MO

Flashman · Pit Bull Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: MO

bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

I never siad anyone was ever prosicuted by the government for offering religeous views! I was implying a chilling effect people expierence due to the climate of political correctness, namely people protesting simple things like the words 'under God' in the pledge. Anyone who 'feels' offended can make a stink and cause the chill satan wants (in more ways than one I'm sure).

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Flashman · Pit Bull Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: MO

Flashman · Pit Bull Joined: 28 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: MO

Church and State are only separated by an “idea” that the church or state are separate entities not populated by flesh and blood.

Since the belief in God Almighty is not a “religion” but a relationship, one cannot (and should not) separate themselves from their beliefs simply because they are elected into the “state”. The state is to reflect the people’s will and the “people” of that time were, by a very large margin, Christian. The erosion of the Christian moral code in this country is largely due to the idea that the state holds the shield against encroachment by a Christian electorate. The shield was meant to be in the hands of the people, to keep the “state” out of the affairs of those who worship. Ergo, “Congress shall make no law…”.

Since, at that time [of the Federalist Papers and Constitution promulgation and enactment] the citizens held all the power and the government only had what power the citizens granted them; the ONLY concern was that the “state” would attempt to empower one expression of God worship. Since the first day after the signing of the Constitution, God haters began to legalize the spirit of that great document and schemed to find a way to “get around” the wording. {Not only of the “religion” issue, but also of the lawful money issue, state’s rights, individual freedoms, etc.}

The insanity continues today.

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