The Assumption of Paul

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

The Assumption of Paul

In The Illusions of Assumptions, we found out that the illusions created by their assumptions was the biggest factor in the disciples inability to know Messias. Out of all of his disciples, only Peter was able to correctly identify him when questioned. Now these disciples were not the only ones who became victims of their own assumptions. There was another prophet in the New Testament who was guilty of falling to the illusions of assumptions. He also became a product of his illusionary environment

The prophet Paul became a victim of Israel’s assumptions. These assumptions led him to advocate and participate in the murder of Believers during his time. He truly had come to believe that they were worshipping another God and were therefore evil. This is what he had been taught. This is what his teachers had led him to believe. He had been deceived by those old fables and doctrines which were being promulgated by the so called scholars. He thought that he knew and understood God. He thought that he was doing God service. He thought that his cause was just. He did not know that he was killing his own family. By killing those believers Paul fulfilled a prophecy which is also being fulfilled in today‘s world. John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. Paul did not realize his mistake until he was blinded while on his way to kill more Believers.

After his conversion Paul became very aware of the illusions that fables and false doctrines can produce. He was very aware of how your assumptions can become a very powerful tool for the wicked. He was aware of how they can be used to control and manipulate the masses. This is why he tries to warn future Believers in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.) and Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Paul new that future Believers were bound to make the same assumptions and therefore make the same mistakes. He himself had been captivated by many of these fables. He himself had taught them to other people.

Now let us take a look at one of today’s biggest assumption, and let us see how it creates an almost impenetrable field of illusion. A majority of the end time assumptions are predicated on this fable of rapture. Many believers have come to believe that the tribulation cannot start, the Final Great Gentile Leader (Anti-Christ) will not come to power, and Messias will not arrive until certain Believers have disappeared magically into the clouds. You cannot even begin to fathom the amount of damage this assumption has created. Without your realisation, this fable has succeeded in creating a huge sense of complacency and a false sense of security amongst those who claim to believe. Just think about it; If you are not going to be here for the tribulation, why should you make preparations? Why should you look for the Messias? Why should you look for that Gentile Leader (Antichrist)?

This theory of course is promulgated and promoted by those in power. They use it to sell books and to make their filthy money, while those who are seduced are being prepared for the slaughter (Isaiah 65:12, Jeremiah 50:27 ). It is a feel good story, and a doctrine which appeals to the vanity of many. It tickles the ears and makes many believe that one day that all of their problems will disappear as they head into the clouds. It has been used to convince many of their own righteousness and goodness. After all they are special. Everyone else must suffer through hardship and pain, but not them. They are better than Noah, Lot, Daniel, Paul, and all of the other prophets who had to suffer through their days of tribulation.

Unfortunately today’s Believers have succeeded in repeating Israel and Paul’s past mistakes. They have formed an image of God, Messias, and the world based on false assumptions. These false assumptions are now embedded in their doctrines and therefore in their psyches. They have succeeded in creating an alternate world that does not match God’s present reality. And in the process they have become the enemies of the LIVING GOD. Everything has changed. Because of these assumptions they have embraced the evil and eschewed the good. They have corrupted their ways and in the process have sealed their destinies. Woe unto them for good is now considered evil and evil is now considered good! Woe unto them whose hearts have hardened, for they refuse to change course and they refuse to repent! Woe unto them whose filthy imaginations have led them to follow after false gods! Woe unto them who hate the truth and love the lie!

The Kingdom of God is coming into being even as we write. It is suffering violently but it will grow and it will consume all other kingdoms. Woe unto those who have tried to stop it!

“The Truth can be a bitter pill to swallow, but its healing powers are immeasurable”

“The Two Books Are One”

Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied [him]? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil [is] good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where [is] the God of judgment?

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people [is] foolish, they have not known me; they [are] sottish children, and they have none understanding: they [are] wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

Psalms 38:20 They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow [the thing that] good [is].

bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

Hi Mindonfire,

I find the calling of the Aposte Paul a profit strange in the extreme. The Apostle Paul did not live in anticipation of future of 'future believers'. He was living in the anticipation of the imminent return of our Lord whom had taught him personally in the desert after his conversion. The apostle Paul a victum? Really? As for the rapture of the saints, the body of Christ, I believe it will not be punished thru the tribulation to come. The phrase Filthy money comes up which I believe Christ would have a problem with since He teaches about the handeling and stewardship of money constantly. I can only say that mind on fire should dip their head in a cold bucket of the word of God in context and put away their illusions of authorship.

Sky · Booted Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 354

bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

please excuse my spelling or my typing haste and I'll excuse your bad puns. Smile

bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

Seem like you have a problem with the historicity of our lord and savior, and I don't think the cammel trains went as far as austrailia in those days Very Happy

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Nobby · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: NOTE!!

Please read:

There is absulutly no reason to quote & re-quote these very longs posts!
All it does is eat up a lot of space & causes people to scan over a mile of re-run text to get to your answer. If you want to quote, just quote what you want to answer!

Some times your answer is only a few lines. So you don't have to quote the whole post.
I can understand if it's a large thread & your getting the quote from another page, but much of the time the original post is on the same page!

Another thing, I know most of you do, but please when you quote someone, let the rest of us know who it is! Very Happy

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Sky · Booted Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 354

P1234567890 · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: NOTE!!

FFT · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: NOTE!!

Nobby · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject:

I appreciate your kind words. I try to allow everyone free speach as much as I can. I try not to get involved in many debates. That leaves me free to do what needs to be done.

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bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

First, let me apologize to all in the forum for my mistake of reprinting the entire post, it was Not my intention to ever re-post that noise. I am new to forums and am still learning the ropes.Please forgive my ignorance.
Secoundly the "author" of the repeated post has repeated the charge that The Apostle paul was " a victum",which I disagree with in the strongest terms.The Apostle Paul was anything but a victum,he backed down James and rebuked The Apostle peter to his face. If you want to say that Paul was, before his conversion aligned with the pharases, say that.As soon as he met Christ on the road to damascus he changed, was taught by Christ and wrote 2/3rds of the new testament and most likely the book of hebrews. And the "aurthor" continues to refer to the inhabitants of palastine as Isreal. Check me out, they were of the house of Judah,Benjamin,and levi.The old testament teaches that God always saw the decendants of Isreal(jacob) as 2 seperate "sisters" and divorced Isreal because of Idol worship. and then remarried them after the death and resurection of Christ.(see Isaiah 54) The house of Isreal refers to the ten tribes of the north that were captured and relocated by the Asyrian empire and they never returned to Palastine or the holy land.Do some study your own self.
Third you quoat Paul And I referanced Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. The parabel of the talents tells me that My Lord wants and expects me to turn a profit and be a good steward of that profit.
Teh "author" seems to be grinding an ax with his illusions and assuming things that can readily be foun in the scriptures.

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

bwokg · Tadpole Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

Ok, you got me, I am a zillionare who has inherited his money polluting the land, dumping toxic chemicals on native Indian lands and then devloping casinos on those lands I could not pollute with the help of corrupt politicians.
As for the apostle Paul, do you think he would call himself a victim? He was taught the law of God by the best educators of the day and was very zealous in his defence of his faith and was CHOSEN by our lord because he was educated in the law so he could be educated (peter and the rest of the apostles were uneducated fishermen dominated by james, the half brother of Christ Jesus, whom he disagreed viemently) by Christ to be an elluquent speaker with a strong foundation in the hebrew religion speaking in the synagogues of that day. Paul was used by God to save the Christian religeon from becoming just another splinter of judism. A victim,I think not, a willing sacrafice after his conversion, absolutly!