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Sky Booted
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Equality? |
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THIS thread has nothing to do with preaching, teaching, etc.!
In God's eyes are men and women equal?
Well, are they? What are your thoughts on this and, also, what is your scriptural basis and social reasonings for your conclusions? |
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RevJP Moderator

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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Define equality.
Then perhaps you could give us your opinion... _________________ JP's Mind - my blog
Psa 118:8 It is better to trust and take refuge in the Lord than to put confidence in man. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise [is] good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household [are] clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing [is] silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth [it]; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour [are] her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue [is] the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband [also], and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour [is] deceitful, and beauty [is] vain: [but] a woman [that] feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | Define equality.
Then perhaps you could give us your opinion... |
I'll give you both in one fell swoop:
1 Peter 3:7, "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered." |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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dwell with them according to knowledge...
what do you suppose that means? _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | dwell with them according to knowledge...
what do you suppose that means? |
more importantly and integral to all the verse's previous phrases is the end phrase, "that your prayers be not hindered". |
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shepreach Cobra

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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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speaking of equality, Galations 3:28 might be a good reference. _________________ a servant in Christ
I'm wounded sore but not yet slain, I'll lie and bleed awhile then rise to fight again.
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| shepreach wrote: | | speaking of equality, Galations 3:28 might be a good reference. |
The bible does not preach equality, it might be fair, but it certainly is not equality based, it teaches, at the least, a two class system.
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | dwell with them according to knowledge...
what do you suppose that means? |
listen to them, talk with them, learn what makes them tick. Don't read the paper at the kitchen table while she's talking with you and all you do is occassionally unconsciously say 'uh huh' whenever it feels right. If you ignore her God WILL shut you out and not hear your prayers. And that spells one ruined marriage and whose fault is it? |
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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The bottom line is that men and women are NOT equal; there are major physical differences. For example, men on average are CONSIDERABLY stronger, faster, and more aggressive than women. This means that they have different capabilities to do certain jobs. For example, what percentage of movers are women? The answer is obvious: hardly any, since it requires a lot of heavy lifting, and men are better at that on account of their greater muscle mass.
The social role of women has traditionally reflected the fact that they are physically weaker and slower. For example, back in the caveman days, the men went out and hunted the wooly mammoths, and the women stayed back at the camp and did domestic things like cooking, making clothes, and taking care of the kids.
However, those days are long gone. We no longer live in a labour-based economy. The vast majority of labour in modern industrialized societies is done by machines, so man's superior strength has become largely irrelevant. In light of this, the civilized thing to do is to treat women equally. That doesn't mean we should have affirmative action hiring practices for women down at the fire department, because that would lead to more people dying in fires. But certainly they should have all the rights of men.
This is where religion has fallen short... Religious societies and religious people typically treat women much worse than secular societies and people. Muslims are particularly bad for this, but the Bible is hardly a manual for feminist rights... _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | lone-traveler wrote: | dwell with them according to knowledge...
what do you suppose that means? |
listen to them, talk with them, learn what makes them tick. Don't read the paper at the kitchen table while she's talking with you and all you do is occassionally unconsciously say 'uh huh' whenever it feels right. If you ignore her God WILL shut you out and not hear your prayers. And that spells one ruined marriage and whose fault is it?
The full verse makes it very plain that in the eyes of God men and women are equal.
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | shepreach wrote: | | speaking of equality, Galations 3:28 might be a good reference. |
The bible does not preach equality, it might be fair, but it certainly is not equality based, it teaches, at the least, a two class system-those that are saved and those that are not saved.. | edited for clarity. |
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Sky Booted
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Despite their differences men and women are equal in the eyes of God, it takes one man and one woman to equal one living soul ie one human being. This was the case both before Eve's creation and has been the case ever after Eve's creation. |
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | Despite their differences men and women are equal in the eyes of God, it takes one man and one woman to equal one living soul ie one human being. This was the case both before Eve's creation and has been the case ever after Eve's creation. | Genesis 2:7 The Lord God formed the man from the soil of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being/soul.
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P1234567890 Emperor of the Universe

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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | Despite their differences men and women are equal in the eyes of God, it takes one man and one woman to equal one living soul ie one human being. This was the case both before Eve's creation and has been the case ever after Eve's creation. |
You sure do have some strange and non-standard definitions for words.
"One living soul" usually refers to one human being, not two. _________________ "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
-Blaise Pascal
"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
-Steven Weinberg
"I would bless my children with your destruction instead."
-Someone who shall remain anonymous. |
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