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Sky
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 Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Side effects |
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Side effects of abortion (and the pill) are, in particular, breast cancer, as well as, cancer of the cervix and cancer of the uterus. This way it is possible to accomplish Margaret Sanger's master race plan even faster and more efficient by killing off not only the unborn but also the mother.
| Quote: | As of 2006, eight medical organizations recognize that abortion raises a woman's risk for breast cancer, independently of the risk of delaying the birth of a first child (a secondary effect that all experts already acknowledge). An additional medical organization, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, issued a statement in 2003 calling on doctors to inform patients about a "highly plausible" relationship between abortion and breast cancer. General counsel for that medical group wrote an article for its journal warning doctors that three women (two Americans, one Australian) successfully sued their abortion providers for neglecting to disclose the risks of breast cancer and emotional harm, although none of the women had developed the disease.
http://www.abortionbreastcancer.com/ |
| Quote: | A pioneer researcher into the connection between abortion and breast cancer says an overwhelming amount of evidence collected in nearly 50 years of studies demonstrating a conclusive link has been systematically covered up by biased scientists, government agencies and the news media using fraudulent data to deceive women about potentially life-and-death decisions.
Joel Brind, a Ph.D. and professor of human biology and endocrinology at Baruch College, City University of New York and president of the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute, has authored a paper for the National Catholic Bioethics Quarterly refuting several recent studies downplaying the abortion-breast cancer link.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44282 |
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ChristineS
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose I should write this, but I am nervous about it. Well..here goes...
I have some very strong views on abortion, I don't post them here because I am chicken. I am non-assertive (which is a fault I am working on).
I don't think women care about the side effects. My view of the whole thing is that women want to do whatever they want, have sex as many times, as often as they want, and don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions. If these women had less sex, or only had sex with their husbands, or whatever, I think we could see less abortions. If married women have enough children and don't want more, they can get their tubes tied. If men don't want anymore children, then they can have a vasectomy. My husband had a vasectomy. There is birth control of all types. If they fail, then people have to live with the consequences, to have a child. To keep it or to give it up for adoption. This was my own belief. My mother was always pro-choice. But even before I became a Christian, I was pro-life.
The thing is, I am not pro-life just because I am a Christian. That is one reason, but there are other reasons, too. Nothing I really need or want to get into.
Well forgive my long post and my strong (unbending to some, I suppose) beliefs. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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This is an absurd conspiracy theory. It doesn't even make sense. Birth control and abortion are some sort of eugenics program?!? You do realize that in America alone, TENS OF MILLIONS of rich, white women are on the pill, don't you?
Contraception is expensive. Poor, black women can't afford it, and have very poor access compared to their rich white counterparts.
By the way this was meant for the post above by Sky, not your post, Christine.
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Sky
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ChristineS wrote: | I suppose I should write this, but I am nervous about it. Well..here goes...
I have some very strong views on abortion, I don't post them here because I am chicken. I am non-assertive (which is a fault I am working on).
I don't think women care about the side effects. My view of the whole thing is that women want to do whatever they want, have sex as many times, as often as they want, and don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions. If these women had less sex, or only had sex with their husbands, or whatever, I think we could see less abortions. If married women have enough children and don't want more, they can get their tubes tied. If men don't want anymore children, then they can have a vasectomy. My husband had a vasectomy. There is birth control of all types. If they fail, then people have to live with the consequences, to have a child. To keep it or to give it up for adoption. This was my own belief. My mother was always pro-choice. But even before I became a Christian, I was pro-life.
The thing is, I am not pro-life just because I am a Christian. That is one reason, but there are other reasons, too. Nothing I really need or want to get into.
Well forgive my long post and my strong (unbending to some, I suppose) beliefs. |
RRRRRRight on target! Welcome to the club! |
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ChristineS
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | This is an absurd conspiracy theory. It doesn't even make sense. Birth control and abortion are some sort of eugenics program?!? You do realize that in America alone, TENS OF MILLIONS of rich, white women are on the pill, don't you?
Contraception is expensive. Poor, black women can't afford it, and have very poor access compared to their rich white counterparts. |
Abortions are not free. Does this also mean that poor women have to have sex with every man they meet. Not all black women are poor, and not all white women are rich. 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ChristineS wrote: | I suppose I should write this, but I am nervous about it. Well..here goes...
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I don't know why; your posts are always well-written, articulate, and interesting!
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My view of the whole thing is that women want to do whatever they want, have sex as many times, as often as they want, and don't want to deal with the consequences of their actions. If these women had less sex, or only had sex with their husbands, or whatever, I think we could see less abortions.
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This is exactly right. And the reason behind it is that men and women are animals, and much like dogs or cats, we have a very strong primal instinct to reproduce. And we're not much better at keeping our urges in check than animals are... So your statement that less sex would mean less abortions is right, but there's just no way that's going to happen. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ChristineS wrote: |
Abortions are not free. |
They are in Canada!
But besides, having a baby, including all of the missed work, is much more expensive than having an abortion, even for poor women with jobs that don't pay well. |
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Sky
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
Contraception is expensive. Poor, black women can't afford it, |
So abortion that kills both the unborn and the mother is better for them?
At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of blacks? What is the current black population? Black population growth has basically stagnated.
At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of whites? What is the current white population? White population has increased. |
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ChristineS
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | So your statement that less sex would mean less abortions is right, but there's just no way that's going to happen. |
Yes, I know that to my sorrow and there is nothing I can do about it. People make their own choices. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ChristineS wrote: |
Abortions are not free. Does this also mean that poor women have to have sex with every man they meet. Not all black women are poor, and not all white women are rich. |
Sky is making crazy claims that abortion and contraception are some kind of vehicle for implementing eugenics. Forget about rich, poor, black, white. Sky's idea is nuts. Contraception is one of the best things that's ever happened to this planet. It has done wonders for women's rights, and has liberated them from being basically nothing more than baby factories to allowing them an unprecedented level of freedom never before seen in history. |
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Sky
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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But besides, having a baby, including all of the missed work, is much more expensive than having an abortion, even for poor women with jobs that don't pay well. |
It's a fact of life, if you're gonna play you're gonna have to pay.
imo anyone that murders unborn babies should, at the least, be castratred because if they're that #$%& selfish they'll never be worthy of the title of 'parent'. And if, at a later time, they want to be a parent they better have the power of the Holy Spirit 'cause that's the only thing that will make them worthy of that hallowed title. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: |
So abortion that kills both the unborn and the mother is better for them?
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What are you talking about? Far more women die in childbirth than from abortions.
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At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of blacks? What is the current black population? Black population growth has basically stagnated.
At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of whites? What is the current white population? White population has increased. |
I don't know where you get your statistics. Are you making this stuff up? Look at the census:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html
Between 2000 and 2004, the the black population in the U.S. grew by 8% in ONLY 4 YEARS. You call that stagnation?!?
Birth control and abortion are NOT eugenics programs! Instead of chasing these wild theories, why not pick up your copy of the Bible and actually find the chapter and verse which supports your pro-life position? I claim that your position has no scriptural support, and that there are no good scripture-based arguments that show abortion to be murder. Prove me wrong. |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: |
imo anyone that murders unborn babies should, at the least, be castratred because if they're that #$%& selfish they'll never be worthy of the title of 'parent'. And if, at a later time, they want to be a parent they better have the power of the Holy Spirit 'cause that's the only thing that will make them worthy of that hallowed title. |
Too bad the Bible doesn't support your claims. If you disagree, start quoting the Bible. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of blacks? What is the current black population? Black population growth has basically stagnated.
At the time of abortion being ruled legal what was the populatoin of whites? What is the current white population? White population has increased. |
Look, I don't know who's been feeding you statistics, but they're wrong.
Using the census data P provided, whites have had an 11% growth, blacks have had an 8% growth, and Asians have had a 20% growth. |
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Zuleika
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | P1234567890 wrote: |
But besides, having a baby, including all of the missed work, is much more expensive than having an abortion, even for poor women with jobs that don't pay well. |
It's a fact of life, if you're gonna play you're gonna have to pay.
imo anyone that murders unborn babies should, at the least, be castratred because if they're that #$%& selfish they'll never be worthy of the title of 'parent'. And if, at a later time, they want to be a parent they better have the power of the Holy Spirit 'cause that's the only thing that will make them worthy of that hallowed title. |
What you have said in this specific post I find truly awful. Now, I have had an abortion, and I'm actually kinda glad I did. I'm 18, and to be honest, I had no way of giving that child the life that I would like to. You see, I'm neither for nor against abortion. I think if a person wants to do it, they should do it. People have an abortion for their own reasons. When I had mine (about a month ago now), my relationship with my partner (who is now my fiancee) was very rocky, not to mentiont hat I Was at my first job which paid really bad. We had no way of supporting a child. I think I'd rather show my child that life can be good from the beginning. That no matter how bad things are in their life, they should at least have 2 parents who love each other, and a home to go to. I don't want to raise a child on my own. I had an abortion becasue at the time it was the best thing to do. We couldn't support it, an as a couple we made the decision that for the good of the baby, and ourselves, it was the best thing. That's not to say that I don't feel guilty about it, because sometimes I do.
To say that someone who has an abortion is unworthy to be a parent is just wrong. Sometimes you need to stop and think about everything. What's going to be best for your child? Tell me, would you want your baby to grow up in poverty (when you have the choice to make it otherwise), with only one parent? Sometimes you have to go against some of your morals to uphold other, more important ones. Do you see that at all? BEcause from what you are saying you don't seem to.
Also, abortions are free in NZ for NZ citizens. Also, does it matter if the person getting the abortion is black white, rich or poor? The fact of the matter is we are all human. Well, I don'[t know about you Sky, but I know I sure am only human, and I make mistakes. So does everyone else. And sometimes it's better to choes the lesser or two bad choices. Doy ou see? |
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