Tribulation

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Tribulation

Deuteronomy 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, [even] in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;

Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

It has become evident that many believers are unaware that the Bible does not always make a clear distinction between the tribulation period of the saints and the tribulation or tribulations of the saint. Sometimes the scriptures will speak of one and other times it can speak of both concurrently. The inability of individuals to recognize and divide the two has helped pave the way for many false doctrines and theories regarding the location of believers during the second coming of Messias.

We must first understand that there are two types of tribulation which the Bible speaks of. The first tribulation is the period which is brought upon the saints and the world as a means of judgement. Contrary to some of your popular doctrines all believers will be present for this time. For believers this period is used for judgement and refinement. For non- believers this period is a time of retribution. We can also say that this period of time is used to separate the wheat from the tares. Those believers who are rooted and grounded in good soil will survive, and those who are weak in root and soil will be uprooted and destroyed alongside the tares. This tribulation is also known by other monikers such as the Time of Trouble, the Day of Trouble, the Day of Visitation, the Day of the Lord, and the Day of Wrath.

The second tribulation is the tribulation or tribulations which every individual will face during their lifetime. These tribulations are part of life and they may vary from person to person. Anything that may cause a period of mental, physical, or spiritual distress and or suffering can be classified as “your tribulation or tribulations.” Some examples of things which may cause this type of tribulation can vary from racism, poverty, the death of a loved one, and or the trials of medical school.

Secondly we must comprehend that the Holy Bible is truly a supernatural book. Much of the Bible is written in such a way that many of the verses and words have the ability to convey more than one meaning. These verses may appear to allude to one thing but in actuality they may be referring to something totally different. This is done purposefully. This is the very reason why any individual can take almost any number of verses in the Bible and with no labor at all extract any number of meanings from it. And this is also the reason why there are so many different biblical doctrines and theories floating around. In order to receive the Bible’s true message, one must read and study while in the true spirit of God.

We also must understand that many verses have a dual nature. These verses may speak about two different events or speak across time to two different generations of people concurrently. For example if you study (Luke 17:22-23) you will see that Messias is not only talking to those disciples who are there present with him. He is also talking across time to those disciples who are present during the end. These two causes which I have just given are the reasons why we are instructed by the word of God to study so that we rightly divide the word of truth (2Tim 2:15)*

So now with these two pieces of information in hand let us see some examples of verses which speak solely about the tribulation period of the end, and other verses which are dualistic in their conveyance.

1.These verses are examples of verses which speak solely to the tribulation period of the end. (Matt. 24:21 and 29, Mark 13:24, Rev. 2:9, 2:10, and 2:22)

2. This verse is an examples of a verse which speaks to Israel’s tribulation periods of old and at the same time speaks to the saints tribulation period of the end. (Deut 4:30)

3.This verse is an example of a verse which speaks to King David ‘s then present tribulation period and at the same time addresses his future tribulation period (1Sam 26:24).

4.These verses are examples of verses which speak to the tribulation period of the saints and at the same time speaks to their individual tribulation or tribulations. (Matt 13:21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22. Rom. 2:9, Rom 5:3, Rom. 8: 35, Rom. 12:12, 2Cor. 1:4, 2Cor. 7:4, 1Thess. 3:4, 2Thess 1:6, 2Thess 1:4)

5. This verse is an example of a verse which speaks to both Israel’s tribulation periods and their tribulations. (1Sam 10:19)

Now with these few examples and with the aid of the Spirit of God you should be able to distinguish between verses which are dualistic in nature and verses which have multiple meanings. These verses which have multiple meanings must be rightly divided by the spirit of the believer in order to arrive at the correct concluding.

“You have the right to remain ignorant and refuse to gain knowledge.
Anything that you don’t know can and will be used against you in the court of Life“

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

P1234567890 · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:

Maybe this is just me, but I have a really hard time getting through posts that are this long. I'd like to vote for a little more concision.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject:

thankyou mindonfire..
I enjoyed your post...

peace
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Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

You may have a point Mind...

But I usually reserve my stopping and reading time for scripture and not the words of men. I find that when someone's exposition on scripture is significantly longer than the scripture they are referencing - it doesn't edify me or the spirit quite as much as they would have intended.
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Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

So you are equating your posts with the Holy Inspired Word?
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Nobby · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:

Hi Mindonfire,
I personal enjoyed reading your post. As far as being long? It's not near as long as many more I've seen on here. Very Happy

PS: Don't take this as an open encouragement to create loooong posts.
It is not. Long posts bog the board down & it takes longer to get anything done.

I don't know about about the rest of you guys, Very Happy

but I have a live besides this board! Very Happy

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Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Roger459 · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:37 am Post subject:

Mind,

WHAT IS THAT POST TO DO, with the COMISSION, that JESUS, gave us here. . . ?

(Luke 24:45-to-48) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

(Luk 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

(Luk 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(Luk 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.

THAT = = REPENTANCE AND RESISSION OF SINS. . . . SHOULD BE PREACHED = = = IN HIS NAME? ? ?

DID YOU MISS THE GREAT COMISSION. . . ?

Thanks, Roger R.

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