Perilous Times

golfjack · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject: Perilous Times

In the second chapter of Second Peter, we read about another sign of the end-times. But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you. Do you see something here? When Peter says there shall be false teachers among you, he means right among the people of God. The passage continues, who prively shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whoose judgment now of a long time lingerith not, and their damnation slumbereth not (vv. 1-3).

There also are predictions about terrorist groups, immorality, and crime waves. Let's read again Second Timothy 3:1. That means there is peril on every side. It's no wonder at all that in these last days terrorist groups have arisen. Paul said there would be perilous times

Read Second Timothy 3:2, 3 and we see there is a prediction of a crime wave in this passage. Do you know what Paul is talking about when he's saying without natural affection? He's talking about homosexuals and lesbians. They're without natural affection.

Let's go back to Romans 1:26: What does vile affections mean? Without natural affection, for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. It's just not natural for a woman to want a woman, and not natural for a man to want another man (verse 27). Notice Paul is saying that in the last days, among the other things he listed, there also is going to be a rise of homosexuality. Have we seen this in our day? Certainly we've seen it.

Well, doesn't God love those people? some will ask. Yes, He loves all siners, but He doesn't love their sin. The Bible says that God hates sin. However, He sent Jesus to redeem all of us, including homosexuals. Many homosexuals are being saved, and their lives are being turned around. But what Paul is saying here is that there is going to be an increase of these things in the last days. In our own country, we can certainly see it, can't we? Things that people wouldn't even talk about publically a few years ago are now everywhere.

Continued.

golfjack · Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: continued

Let's examine 2 Timothy 3:3-5: Now look at the thirteenth verse: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. When you put it altogether, Paul is talking about an increase of sin and an increase of crime in the last days: another sign.

Now notice 1 Timothy 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times (the end of time, before Jesus comes back to the earth) some shall depart from the faith. This isn't talking just about sinners. Even among Christendom, some shall depart from the faith. Doing what? Giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils. Now what is Paul sayiing? Paul is saying that in the latter times there will be an increase in spiritualism. In our own country we're seeing things in the area of spiritism that we didn't see a few years ago.

Paul continues in verse 2, Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. You see, you can follow the devil, and your conscience, which is the voice of your spirit, can become so seared it won't bother you. you'll think you are all right (A lot of times lying spirits get ahold of people like this).

May God bless, golfjack

Roger459 · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 5:54 am Post subject:

GoldJack,

GREAT POSTS! Too many do not see the TREACHERY And DECEPTION that is in the Church. WE FOCUS So much on the POSITIVE = that we forget the NEGATIVE!

(Jude 1:3-4) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of = = the common salvation,= = it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
(Jude 1:4) For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks, Roger R.

golfjack · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: reply

That's right Roger. Do you agree with me one point, and that is once saved always saved? If you study Hebrews 6:4-6 and James 5:16-17, You will see one can lose their salvation if they openly after being saved reject Jesus Christ openly (in public). However, I don't think this happens that much, and if you really study Hebrews 6:4-6 there are caveats or conditions for this to happen.

May God bless, golfjack

Roger459 · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:01 am Post subject:

GolfJack,

Good Morning! Your quote: You will see one can lose their salvation if they openly after being saved reject Jesus

RESPONSE: Perhaps if you could see THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT = IS SALVATION = = AND not our Confession =NOR= Our Professin? ?

OS- AS is a Church Doctrine, BUT is it a doctrine of the Word of God? This OS-AS has come out of the Baptist Persuasion. Yet Dr. Charles Stanley was president of the Southern Baptist Convention, about 20 years ago! When he took over the leadership, he had a ‘Real Fight’ on his hands.

Why you say? Because, almost half of those Pastors in the SBC “Do Not Believe – that the Word of God is the ONLY Truth for a Believer and that the Truth of the Word is Without Error!”
How can that be? You see, NOT ALL Those that ‘Say they are Saved – Are REALLY Saved! Perhaps, this is where we must agree that the Word of God, “The BIBLE” is the ‘Only Truth’ for those that “Call the Name of Christ?” IF you cannot or will not agree with this statement, then there is no further need for this discussion.

(Luke 4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word of God.
(Matthew 4:4) But He [Jesus] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Perhaps we must begin where the Scripture Begins, and Leave OFF the Church Doctrine? The KEY – IS BELIEF! What do we ‘Say We Believe?” Is ‘IT” the Truth of the Word – OR – Church Doctrine? Perhaps the Words of Jesus should show us something about “Belief?”

(Matthew 7:21-24) Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven. (Matt 7:22) Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? And in Thy Name have cast out devils? And in Thy Name done many wonderful works? (Matt 7:23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matt 7:24) Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine, AND DOETH THEM, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Notice, there were many ‘Religious – Who Claimed they Knew JESUS?” and yet were rejected by HIM? Perhaps you could examine Matthew 13 – the four kinds of soil and the “Wheat and the Tares?” Perhaps you could examine 2Corinthinas 11:13-15? NOW, are there those in the Church, “Who say they Believe in Jesus – and are really NOT HIS?” To this, you have to answer “YES!”

This comes about, because Many are Duped into “Thinking they are Saved!” How can that BE? Did you read the above Verses? Did you open your Bible and really read them? Did you understand what the Spirit of God was saying through the Word of God?

The ‘group emotion’ that can be generated in ‘Any Church Service’ can be likened to that country song, “How can IT be Wrong – when IT Feels so Right?” IS it because we are ‘Trusting Our Feelings’ and “Not what the Word of God SAYS?” The Real KEY – Is Belief! Belief in Who? Belief in What? Belief that ‘Brings Life Eternal!”

(2Corinthians 13:5-7) Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2Cor 13:6) But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates. (2Cor 13:7) Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

(John 7:37-39) In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto Me, and drink. (John 7:38) He that believeth on Me, AS THE SCRIPUTRE HAS SAID, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (John 7:39) (But this spake Me of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

(Romans 10:8-13) But what saith it? The Word is nigh thee, even IN thy mouth, and IN thy heart: that is, THE WORD OF FAITH, which we preach; (Rom 10:9) THAT IF thou shalt CONFESS with thy MOUTH - The Lord Jesus [Jesus is LORD], and shalt BELIEVE in thine HEART that God hath raised Him [Jesus] from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Rom 10:10) For with the HEART man believeth unto righteousness; and with the MOUTH Confession Is Made Unto Salvation. (Rom 10:11) For the SCRIPUTRE saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Rom 10:12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto All That Call Upon HIM. (Rom 10:13) For Whosoever Shall Call Upon The Name Of The Lord Shall Be Saved.

(Luke 18:13-14) And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. (Luke 18:14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

NOW, that the PLAN OF SALVATION is clearly seen in the Scriptures, “What happens to that person?” Once HE or SHE – Has Really Believed – ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPUTRES?

(Ephesians 1:12-13) That we should be to the praise of His Glory, who first trusted in Christ. (Eph 1:13) In WHOM ye also trusted, AFTER THAT YOU HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: IN WHOM also after that ye Believed, YOU WERE SEALED WITH THAT HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE!

(1Corinthians 12:13-14) For By One SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1Cor 12:14) For the body is not one member, but many.

(Ephesians 1:7) IN WHOM [Jesus] we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, According To The RICHES OF HIS GRACE;

(Ephesians 1:14) WHO is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of HIS GLORY!

(Ephesians 4:30) And [YOU] not the Holy Spirit of God, WHEREBY YOU WREE SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.

(Romans 8:9-10) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the SPIRIT, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. NOW if any man Have Not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. (Rom 8:10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

NOW- ONCE SEALED AND SPIRIT BAPTIZED – ALWAYS SEALED AND SPIRIT BAPTIZED!

Proper BIBLE DOCTRINE can thus be stated! NOT: once saved – always saved! SALVATION IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD – WHICH WE – who Believe as the Scripture says.. Jn 7:38 - CAN NEVER LOOSE! “BECAUSE – GOD SAID SO!”

PLEASE Consider these verses, and put those other ones aside for now. CAN YOU IMAGINE, = = A GOD THAT WOULD SAVE US FROM OUR SINS = AND NOT GIVE US THAT ASSURANCE? ? ? I CAN NOT! PERHAPS. . .

(Romans 8:15-16-17) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
(Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
(Rom 8:17) And if children,[u] then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.[/u]

Now, Jack, does that sound like = something we can loose? ? ? GOD CALLS US HEIRS = = AND THEN WE LOOSE THAT? ? ? NOT!

Thank you, Roger R.

golfjack · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: reply

Roger,I can agree with everything you said. I do believe in Eternal Security. When I read Romans 8:16, it tells me the Holy Spirit testifies to our spirits that we are saved. As you know, I am an evaanglistic Preacher. I have never preached that one can lose their salvation.

The one thing that bothers me is the unpardonable sin. I believe James is addressing this to believers because He calls them brothers, and why does he say not to pray for this person? However, I agree completely agree with you. This is why I say it just doesn't happen that much, if at all. That sounds like an oximoran, doesn't it. I guess, I just can't judge what is in someones heart, and leave it go at that.

May God bless, golfjack

Roger459 · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:24 am Post subject:

GoldJack,

IS THE GOD WERE SERVE, GREATER THAN THE SO CALLED 'unpardonable sin?'

HOW ABOUT, we who Realy Believe [John 3:3 -&- John 7:38-39 -&- Ephesians 1:12-13-14] FOCUS on our Positon in CHRIST JESUS = = and set aside what we do not know or understand?

I MYSELF, have had a problem with a certain porition of Holy Scripture and had to come to the CONCLUSION = THAT I AM NOT GOD = = AND = = I MAY NOT UNDERSTAND = = THAT PARTICULAR PORTION!

Usually within a few days, I will be led to read a particular Book [Romans 8:14 - you have to be willing] AND TO MY Amasement, the Holy Spirit will open my mind and heart = = TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAD A PROBLEM WITH!

THAT is why I always say = THE CONTRADICTION IS IN THE HEART OF MANKIND!

PERHAPS = = Have you ever LOST anyting from your compter = = INTO CYBERSPACE? ? ? And then some time late = FOUND IT?

WE ARE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING = = IN THIS LIFE!

READ Hebrews 11:36 and On! HOW ABOUT "THOSE OTHERS?" Did they Understand what was going ON? NOT! And yet = they are IN THE CHAPTER OF FAITH!

Read Romans 8:ALL, and Examine our Position in Christ! Then ask yourself, after reading that = How can we loose THAT ALL? FOR, if we could loose it, = = IT WAS WORTH NOTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

IS YOU god = GOD ENOUGH? [see new posting]

Thanks, Roger R.

golfjack · Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 10:49 am Post subject: reply

Good Job, Roger.

May God bless, golfjack