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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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 Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: Satan Uses God's Bible, to Destroy People |
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Many are the Bible verses which satan uses to undermine the true meaning of scripture.
2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Satan will even use the words of Paul, to destroy people who heed not the warnings, God placed on Paul's writings......
2 Peter 3:15 "And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction".
Satan even has the ability to keep people from reading certain Bible verses.....
Satan has the ability to keep certain prayers from ever forming on the lips of Christians......that will save their Lives !
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Not really. Paul was quite into ensuring that his brand of Christianity would be accepted over that of Jesus' actual followers. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Not really. Paul was quite into ensuring that his brand of Christianity would be accepted over that of Jesus' actual followers. |
There is no contradition between Jesus Christ and Paul. They merely said things differently, but the meanings were the same.....
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. |
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | There is no contradition between Jesus Christ and Paul. They merely said things differently, but the meanings were the same..... |
Then why'd he have to threaten his followers with Satan to keep them from switching to James? |
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John R Nolan
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Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: Satan uses the WORD |
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Of course he does.
That's his game; he takes what God says and INTERPRETS It into something different in meaning to what was originally said by God
That's where the fall came, when Satan, through the serpent, told Eve God didn't really mean she would die, if she partook of the fruit, but she would become "as God", knowing good AND EVIL, which previously she did NOT know, Gen.3:1-5
God created everything good, wholesome, Satan, through hybridization perverted God's creation into the mess we now have on earth
Violent, man killing beasts of every kind, poisonous foods, plants, insects, that wasn't part of God's creation, and today Satan is again, through religions, interpreting God's Word, perverting It
He uses the scholars, as he did in Jesus' day, to argue the Word instead of BELIEVE IT
Sure, the learned men and today even women, are taking His Word and turning it into a topic of debate rather than THE SOURCE of LIGHT and TRUTH It really is |
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myne
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | There is no contradition between Jesus Christ and Paul. They merely said things differently, but the meanings were the same..... |
Then why'd he have to threaten his followers with Satan to keep them from switching to James? |
And the simple answer to that is, he didnt. |
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John R Nolan
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Joined: 28 Sep 2006
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Location: Elimbah, Qld. Australia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Not really. Paul was quite into ensuring that his brand of Christianity would be accepted over that of Jesus' actual followers. |
We see a little confusion here; Jesus was NOT pushing Christianity, He came to bring the Jews back to the Word and to fulfil HIs role as the Lamb of GOD.
Paul was the messenger sent to the GENTILES, Acts 9:3-17 to preach Christ and Him crucified, the foundation on which Christianity is built. The Jews are yet to receive their Messiah, which will come to pass when the 144,000 are called out, Rev.14:3 and martyred, under the ministry of the two prophets, Elijah and Moses, Rev.11:3-6.
The term Christian was used at Antioch, Acts 11:26, which completely somewhat undermines this point.
Paul taught what GOD gave him, by revelation, and the other disciples became subject to Paul's doctrine, didn't they? |
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Colter
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Joined: 20 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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Forum,
A peculiar thing, over time I've noticed Christians talking more about the works of the evil one then the hope of Gods righteous calling, why is that? Believers seem to be more faithful to the works of the defeated "prince of this world" then the hope of the Gospel, why? Believers have endless scenarios about the evil one, his plans and techniques for the future, but seem to have more trust in those speculations then in Gods plans, just why is that?
The shield of Christ is upon us, If that idiot, the evil one, were still roaming about doing this and that, he could not thwart the plans of God.
It's best not to acknowledge the "class clown", it only gives him the power and the attention he craves.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Colter wrote: | Forum,
A peculiar thing, over time I've noticed Christians talking more about the works of the evil one then the hope of Gods righteous calling, why is that? |
God wants people to understand how satan will deceive the Christian world, in the end times.
'satan, which deceives the whole world' (Revelation 12:9).
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Believers seem to be more faithful to the works of the defeated "prince of this world" then the hope of the Gospel, why? |
How can anyone say satan is defeated when he controls so much of the Christian world with his doctrines ?
What doctrines you ask ?
#1.) Sundy worship services....
#2.) Secret Rapture theory....
#3.) satan's doctrine that man has an 'immortal soul'.....
#4.) satan's eternally-burning HellFire doctrine.....
ect....ect....ect...ect.....
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The shield of Christ is upon us, If that idiot, the evil one, were still roaming about doing this and that, he could not thwart the plans of God. |
Idiot ?!?
God made lucifer (now satan) the most powerful, most intelligent, most beatutiful being in all the universe.....God made his PERFECT !!!!
(and that was his downfall...his pride in what he was)
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It's best not to acknowledge the "class clown", it only gives him the power and the attention he craves. |
None are in greater danger from the influence of evil spirits than those who, notwithstanding the direct and ample testimony of the Scriptures, deny the existence and agency of the devil and his angels.
So long as we are ignorant of their wiles, they have almost inconceivable advantage; many give heed to their suggestions while they suppose themselves to be following the dictates of their own wisdom.
This is why, as we approach the close of time, when Satan is to work with greatest power to deceive and destroy, he spreads everywhere the belief that he does not exist.
It is his policy to conceal himself and his manner of working.
There is nothing that the great deceiver fears so much as that we shall become acquainted with his devices.
The better to disguise his real character and purposes, he has caused himself to be so represented as to excite no stronger emotion than ridicule or contempt.
He is well pleased to be painted as a ludicrous or loathsome object, misshapen, half animal and half human.
He is pleased to hear his name used in sport and mockery by those who think themselves intelligent and well informed.
Satan can present a counterfeit so closely resembling the truth that it deceives those who are willing to be deceived, who desire to shun the self-denial and sacrifice demanded by the truth; but it is impossible for him to hold under his power one soul who honestly desires, at whatever cost, to know the truth.
Christ is the truth and the "Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9.
The Spirit of truth has been sent to guide men into all truth.
And upon the authority of the Son of God it is declared: "Seek, and ye shall find." "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine." Matthew 7:7; John 7:17.
The followers of Christ know little of the plots which Satan and his hosts are forming against them.
But He who sitteth in the heavens will overrule all these devices for the accomplishment of His deep designs.
The Lord permits His people to be subjected to the fiery ordeal of temptation, not because He takes pleasure in their distress and affliction, but because this process is essential to their final victory. |
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james
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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SS you wrote
How can anyone say satan is defeated when he controls so much of the Christian world with his doctrines ?
What doctrines you ask ?
#1.) Sundy worship services....
#2.) Secret Rapture theory....
#3.) satan's doctrine that man has an 'immortal soul'.....
#4.) satan's eternally-burning HellFire doctrine.....
ect....ect....ect...ect.....
I don't believe all these are satan's doctrine's. Not only that but what gives satan so much control is that we get our focus off of Christ quibbling about doctrine that does not pertain to salvation. Right now satan is causing division and getting brothers to put walls up between each other, when the love of Christ tears down ALL strongholds. And to me these strongholds, satans gets us to put up, are individual denominations, hundreds of them in this country alone divided over frivolous doctrines. What we need are true men of God that will tear down these strongholds through His love and point all to Christ.
I know about E.G.White, Joseph Smith, Russell plus many many more, all causing so much division surrounded by so much contraversy, completely taking the peoples focus off of Christ, when any true servant will do nothing but lead people directly to Christ Himself. This is the gospel, all they ever preach through the book of Acts to the churches was Christ and that He indeed was resurrected. Finally, my brother, let us not strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. |
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | SS you wrote
How can anyone say satan is defeated when he controls so much of the Christian world with his doctrines ?
What doctrines you ask ?
#1.) Sundy worship services....
#2.) Secret Rapture theory....
#3.) satan's doctrine that man has an 'immortal soul'.....
#4.) satan's eternally-burning HellFire doctrine.....
ect....ect....ect...ect.....
I don't believe all these are satan's doctrine's. |
OH ?
And how many beings in the universe are vying for people's worship ?
Last I counted, the Bible only mentioned 2 beings....God, the Creator.....
And satan, the god of this world.
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Not only that but what gives satan so much control is that we get our focus off of Christ quibbling about doctrine that does not pertain to salvation. |
You ever read this Bible verse......
Galations 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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Right now satan is causing division and getting brothers to put walls up between each other, when the love of Christ tears down ALL strongholds. And to me these strongholds, satans gets us to put up, are individual denominations, hundreds of them in this country alone divided over frivolous doctrines. What we need are true men of God that will tear down these strongholds through His love and point all to Christ. |
Would you even know how to recognize a True messneger of God's ?
| Quote: | | This is the gospel, all they ever preach through the book of Acts to the churches was Christ and that He indeed was resurrected. Finally, my brother, let us not strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. |
Yet, it was a VERY SMALL thing that produced the sin condition in which we live in today, which in its wake has prodiced every disease know to man, every single pain and suffering man has ever known.
To Eve it seemed a small thing to disobey God by tasting the fruit of the forbidden tree, and to tempt her husband also to transgress; but their sin opened the floodgates of woe upon the world.
Who can know, in the moment of temptation, the terrible consequences that will result from one wrong step?
Many who teach that the law of God is not binding upon man, urge that it is impossible for him to obey its precepts.
But if this were true, why did Adam suffer the penalty of transgression?
The sin of our first parents brought guilt and sorrow upon the world, and had it not been for the goodness and mercy of God, would have plunged the race into hopeless despair.
Let none deceive themselves. "The wages of sin is death." Romans 6:23.
The law of God can no more be transgressed with impunity now than when sentence was pronounced upon the father of mankind. |
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james
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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SS In my reply I was questioning your Doctrine #1 and 2 as being Satans thats all.
Yes I would know how to identify a true messanger of God, some one who points the people to Christ and Him ALONE. And allowing Christ to have free reign in our lives by His own Spirit.
Not someone who tries to get others to obey certain commandments of which NO ONE can keep, therefore being guilty of all. James 2:10-11.
You should also have backed up to Gal 5:16-25, this is one of my favorite scriptures along with Gal 5:14. For when we witness to others do we tell them to stop doing those things, it would be right but they would not be able to stop living in those things unless they had FIRST been led to Christ Jesus and through Him ALONE taught how to walk in the Spirit.
We could spend days condemning the wrong things people do and it would all be futile without Christ in their lives. Satan would love for us to get the focus off of Christ and try to do it by our own works. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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[quote="james"]SS In my reply I was questioning your Doctrine #1 and 2 as being Satans thats all.
[quote]Bible prophecy predicted satan's attempt to changed the Lord's day to Sunday ('think to change times and laws', Daniel 7:25).
And, the Rapture theory contains a 7 year Trib. period, which cannot be found in the Bible.
On top of that, the Bible shows that Christ comes AFTER the Anti-Christ appears (2 Thess. 1-8).
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Yes I would know how to identify a true messanger of God, some one who points the people to Christ and Him ALONE. |
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
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And allowing Christ to have free reign in our lives by His own Spirit. |
Are we not told to test those spirits ?
And since the Bible tells us that satan's spirit is at WAR against God's commandments, and the people who keep them out of Love for God......
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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Not someone who tries to get others to obey certain commandments of which NO ONE can keep, therefore being guilty of all. James 2:10-11. |
Which no one can keep ?
You mean, Jesus Christ was wrong ?
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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You should also have backed up to Gal 5:16-25, this is one of my favorite scriptures along with Gal 5:14. |
Have you never read God's warning....about Paul's writings ?
2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
This refers to people who try to take Paul's writings, out of context, to what the rest of the Bible says.
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For when we witness to others do we tell them to stop doing those things, it would be right but they would not be able to stop living in those things unless they had FIRST been led to Christ Jesus and through Him ALONE taught how to walk in the Spirit. |
And to whom is the full measure of the Holy Spirit given to ?
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
John 14:15 (# 1.) If ye love me, keep my commandments.
14:16 (# 2.) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
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We could spend days condemning the wrong things people do and it would all be futile without Christ in their lives. |
Love to Jesus Christ, involves keeping the commandments, as shown above.
| Quote: | | Satan would love for us to get the focus off of Christ and try to do it by our own works. |
No man CAN keep God's commandments WITHOUT Jesus Christ.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end(-goal) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Whe Jesus tells people to keep the Commandments, he does not mean to do so in ones own human strenght.
To do as Jesus says to do, a person has to have Jesus Christ giving them the power to keep the commandments. |
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james
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I believe the difference with us may be , when Christ speaks of His commandments I do not believe He is speaking of the OT commandments, but the new as in Gal 5:14. I also see the 7 years trib prophesied of in Daniel and Rev. I also believe that focusing on the 10 commandments and keeping them does take so much focus off of Christ. By no means should one of the commandments,such as the 4th be the primary focus of anyone for any reason.
I do serious consider all you have to say and believe I am at a point where I should study more on this subject and am going to take time to consider it all.
Thank you |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | SS
I believe the difference with us may be , when Christ speaks of His commandments I do not believe He is speaking of the OT commandments, but the new as in Gal 5:14. |
OK...how do you relate to Jesus Christ's statement in Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
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I also see the 7 years trib prophesied of in Daniel and Rev. |
Bible verses, please.
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I also believe that focusing on the 10 commandments and keeping them does take so much focus off of Christ. |
Apparently, you missed what the Gospel message is all about.
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By no means should one of the commandments,such as the 4th be the primary focus of anyone for any reason. |
In light of the Bible prophecy that predicts that satan, would attempt to change God's Law ?
Remember, satan understands what James 2:10-12 says.....you break one of the commandments, you break them all.
AND the Bible tells us that only commandments keepers are getting into heaven......
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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I do serious consider all you have to say and believe I am at a point where I should study more on this subject and am going to take time to consider it all.
Thank you |
Let me point out just one more thing, may I ?
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
(The "EverLasting Gospel message contains 2 things in the following Bible verse:
#1.) God's Judgment Day......
#2.) the 7th day sabbath......)
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. |
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