The Sabbath

Fake · Tiger Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 862

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Harry3142 · Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

Bridget quoted Matthew 19:16 as evidence that we are still under law. I have had SDA's quote this verse in an attempt to convince me that we are all going to hell if we do not observe Saturday as the Sabbath and keep its laws and regulations. But now let's look at the passage that verse is in:

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

""Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and, 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "

"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (The Gospel According to St. Matthew 19:16-26,NIV)

The righteousness that God requires of us must come from Him to us, not from us to us. In other words, no matter what we do, we will never obtain the righteousness that we need for salvation through our own efforts. That righteousness we must accept as a gift from God the Father, who planned and carried out our justification in the only way that The Author of Justice (himself) would accept.

And if we are not to pat ourselves on the back and say, "Look how good we are; we will surely go to heaven because of what we have done," then what is to be our attitude toward what we do for God? Jesus Christ tells us quite plainly what the proper attitude toward works should be:

"Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' " (The Gospel According to St. Luke 17:7-10,NIV)

What we do for the furtherance of God's kingdom is to be done with the attitude that there is no reward for its being accomplished other than the knowledge that it has indeed been accomplished. There are to be no thoughts of stars in our crowns (or even crowns, for that matter), no points with God, no building our own ladder to heaven. The works that are done are to be considered by us as nothing more than a fulfilled obligation.

And what are those works? Jesus told us quite plainly what those were to be, as well:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right, and the goats on his left."

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "

The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' " (The Gospel According to St. Matthew 25:31-40,NIV)

We have two hands; we are to reach up with one of them so that God may grasp it in his firm grip; that's what he's there for. We are to reach out with our other hand to help those in need; that's what they are there for.
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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

On the seventh day God rested

7 Day of Creation

Keep the sabbath day holy

no work on the sabbath

sabbath rest for Gods people

To me the sabbath Represents the 7th Day of Creation, The End well the day after the End. I dont think we are Judged by what day we worship God because we are suppost to do that daily.

Now with that said I believe the sabbath is the seventh day.
seven days a week would make saturday "the sabbath"
friday eve- saturday eve.
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brendan · Big Guppy Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 47

God is the One who commands men. Men do not command God or tell Him what to do. But, if men take to themselves the presumptuous act of telling God what to do, or what they will or will not do, by human decree or tradition, that is rebellion!

In effect that is what men do when they proclaim Sunday to be holy, they are rebelling against God. They are declaring that God must put His presence into the first day of the week and make it holy instead of the seventh day Sabbath. But God is not under any obligation to obey any man, or any humanly devised tradition, decree or custom. Rather, all humanity is under obligation to obey God! God is not under any obligation to any man that He should obey him. No man has the power to command God.
In reality, by appropriating Sunday and rejecting the seventh-day Sabbath--Saturday--men have arrogantly profaned the holy Sabbath of God. By so doing, they are more than doubly guilty before God. First, they have stolen God's holy time. Second, they are trying to earn salvation through their own works of Sunday-keeping. Third, they are trying to make a different day holy, which God did not make holy. ONLY GOD CAN MAKE SOMETHING HOLY, BECAUSE HE IS HOLY! No man can ever make any thing holy because he is not inherently holy--only God is!
So be it Wink

brendan · Big Guppy Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 47

Greets again-If you believe that Sunday worship is Christian, and that God's inspired Word, the Holy Scriptures teach Sunday-keeping, then search the Scriptures and you will not find:

1. One text that says that the Sabbath was ever changed from the seventh to the first-day of the week.

2. One text where the first-day of the week is ever called a holy day.

3. One text where we are told to keep the first-day of the week.

4. One text that says that Jesus ever kept the first-day.

5. One text where the first-day is ever given any sacred title.

6. One text that tells us to keep the first-day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

7. One text that affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first-day as the Sabbath.

8. One text from any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God.

9. One text where it says it was customary for the Church to observe, or meet on, the first-day of the week.

10. One text where we are told not to work on the first-day of the week.

11. One text where any blessings are promised for observing Sunday.

12. One text where any punishment is threatened for working on Sunday.

13. One text that says the seventh-day is not now God's Sabbath day.

14. One text where the apostles ever taught their converts to keep the first-day of the week as a Sabbath.

15. One text that says the seventh-day Sabbath is abolished.

16. One text where the first-day is ever called the Lord's Day.

17. One text where the first-day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day.

18. One text that says that the Father or the Son ever rested on the first-day of the week.

19. One text that says that the first-day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest.

20. One text that says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first-day of the week as the Sabbath.

21. One text that calls the seventh-day the "Jewish Sabbath" or one text that calls Sunday the "Christian Sabbath".

22. One text authorizing anyone to abrogate, abolish or set aside God's Holy Sabbathand observe any other day

SO BE IT!. Wink

brendan · Big Guppy Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 47

Sunday, the first-day of the week, is almost universally observed by "professing Christians" today. Yet, the Bible teaches that the only day that is holy to God is the seventh day of the week, called the Sabbath day in the Word of God. The Roman calendar in use in the United States today, shows that seventh-day of the week is Saturday. However, in Europe their calendars have been changed to show Sunday as the seventh day of the week. In spite of that change, the true Sabbath day, Saturday, is still the true Biblical Sabbath of God, which is holy to Him. The Bible clearly commands: "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY. SIX DAYS SHALL YOU LABOR AND DO ALL YOUR WORK: BUT, THE SEVENTH-DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD (Exodus 20:8-20).

One of the most profound understandings revealed in the New Testament is that before Jesus Christ came in the flesh, He was the Lord God of the Old Testament. As such, He was the CREATOR OF THE SABBATH DAY. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and not even one thing that was created came into being without Him” (John 1:1-3, AT).

THIS MEANS THAT JESUS CREATED THE SABBATH. When we read of the Old Testament and all the passages that pertain to the holy Sabbath of God, the One Who spoke all those words, was, in fact, the One who became Jesus Christ. Therefore, when Jesus Christ said that He was Lord of the Sabbath, He said it with full authority because He created it for mankind, for their good (Mark 2:27-28).

Here are some profound reasons why the Bible shows that we should be observing the Holy Sabbath of God, as the weekly day of worship to God, in our age, today:

1. IN THE BEGINNING God created the Sabbath day (Gen. 2:3).

2. God rested from His labors on the seventh-day (Gen. 2:2).

3. The Sabbath was made for man, that is, for all mankind (Mark 2:27).

4. God blessed the seventh-day because on it He rested from the work of His creation (Gen. 2:2; Ex. 20:11).

5. God blessed the seventh-day and named it Sabbath (Ex. 20:10-11).

6. God not only blessed the seventh-day, but He also sanctified it, that is made it holy by His presence and declaration (Gen. 2:3).

7. There is no record in all the Scriptures that God ever removed His blessing from the Sabbath and placed it upon another day of the week.

8. God's people kept the Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were given at Mount Sinai (Ex. 16:22-26).

9. God ordained that man should keep the Sabbath (Ex. 20; Heb. 4:3-9).

10. God forbade work on the Sabbath day even in harvest time (Ex. 34:21).

11. God promised the Gentiles, those of all nations, a blessing if they kept the Sabbath (Isa. 56:2).

12. God Promised to bless anyone who keeps the Sabbath (Isa. 56:2).

13. Nowhere in the Bible do we find a command to observe any other day of the week as holy, as a substitute or replacement of the seventh-day Sabbath.

14. God calls the Sabbath His holy day (Ex. 20:10; Lev. 23:2-3; Isa. 58:13; Mk. 2:28).

15. The keeping of the Sabbaths, weekly and annually, is a sign between God and His people (Ex. 31:12-17).

16. The Sabbath commandment, one of the longest of the Ten, is one of the commandments God gave to His people to observe that shows our love and obedience towards God (Ex. 20:8-11; Deut. 5:12-15; Mat. 22:37-40).

17. Jesus kept and observed the Sabbath as a habit, which expressed His love and obedience toward God the Father (Lk. 4:16).

18. Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, and as such the Sabbath is the TRUE LORD'S DAY (Mk.2:28; Isa. 58:13; Mat. 12:8).

19. Jesus Christ recognized the Sabbath commandment as binding (Mat. 12:12; 5:17-18; Mk. 3:4).

20. Jesus Christ kept His Father's commandments which included the seventh-day Sabbath (John 15:10; 8:29; 5:46-47).

21. The Sabbath was observed at the time of the crucifixion (Lk. 23:56).

22. Observance of the Sabbath was the practice years after the crucifixion (Acts 17:2).

23. Paul recognized and observed the Sabbath during his ministry, about 45 A.D. (Acts 13:27).

24. Paul taught the Gentiles on the Sabbath day, at their own request (Acts 13:42).

25. Paul preached to an entire city on the Sabbath day (Acts 13:44).

26. Paul attended a prayer meeting on the Sabbath day, when no synagogue was available (Acts 16:13).

27. It was Paul's custom to preach Jesus Christ on the Sabbath day (Acts 17:2-3).

28. At Corinth Paul preached every Sabbath for eighteen months (Acts 18:1-4.11).

29. James recognized the seventh-day Sabbath many years after Christ's resurrection (Acts 15:21).

30. The seventh-day Sabbath will be observed and kept during the time of the millennium (Isa. 66:23).

31. The apostle Paul made it clear that the day of rest, the seventh day Sabbath was to be observed as a holy day (Heb. 4:4).

32. The sanctity of the seventh-day was never changed by Jesus Christ, nor by the apostles, to the first day of the week, neither was it changed by the resurrection of Jesus Christ nor otherwise. Christ rose "IN THE END OF THE SABBATH" and not on Sunday (Mat. 28:1-6).

33. As part of our Christian requirements to receive eternal life that we must keep all of God’s Ten Commandments (Mat. 19:17; Rev. 22:14).

34. The seventh-day Sabbath remains as the day of rest for God's people (Heb. 4:9).

35. Jesus warned that in the end time, as the tribulation was beginning, that we should not flee on the Sabbath (Mat. 24:20).

36.The sign of God's people in the end time is that they would be keeping the commandments of God (Rev. 12:17; 14:12).

brendan · Big Guppy Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 47

in conclusion-The Roman Catholic Church understands that the Bible specifically sanctifies the seventh-day weekly Sabbath. Furthermore, it also admits and boasts that the establishment of Sunday worship is based solely on the ecclesiastical authority of the Roman Catholic Church and not on the authority of the Scriptures. Here are some famous statements made by the Catholic officials in regard to the seventh-day weekly Sabbath and the first day of the week--Sunday.

"You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify" (Cardinal Gibbon, Faith of Our Fathers, 1892, p. 111).

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From the beginning to the end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first" (Catholic Press [Sydney Australia], August 25, 1900).

"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect, from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday. Perhaps at the end of the second century a false application of this kind had begun to take place; for men appear by that time to have considered laboring on Sunday as a sin" (Church History, Neander--Rose's Translation, p. 186).

The Roman Catholic Church boasts that by its authority alone they changed the day of worship from the Sabbath to Sunday: “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we worship [on] Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. Question: Have you a way of proving that the Church [Roman Catholic] has the power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: had she no such power, she should not have done that in which all modern religions agree with her—she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority” (Doctrinal Catechism, p. 147 and The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 1927 edition).

In the Bible, God tells us that He and He alone is the highest authority in the universe and on earth. The apostle Paul wrote that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of the Father” (Phil. 2:10-11, KJV). However, the Catholic Church states that it is above the Bible: “Sunday is the mark of authority. The church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance [to Sunday] is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record London, Sept. 1, 1923). Again this claim of such authority is made: “Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [to Sunday] was her act….And that act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons). Wink

Nobby · Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject:

Hi brendan,

In your post put Saturday in the place of Sunday, then read it again! Very Happy

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