I See Therefore I Know Seeing + ? = Knowing

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Seeing + ? = Knowing

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Today I would like to discuss with and show believers that there is a marked difference between seeing and knowing. Many believers have argued that since Rev 1:7 states that the world will see Messias, this also means that they will know him. I am here to tell you otherwise. It is absolutely correct that everyone will see him with their physical eyes. But let us remember that the physical eyes are unable to see and know that which is spiritual. Seeing is not knowing.
As believers we must understand that there is a chasm which divides the dimensions of seeing and knowing in this physical world. Seeing with the physical eyes does not always translate to knowing in the spiritual mind. Let’s use the disciples, Pharisees, and Jews for examples.
The disciples saw Jesus and they saw him do all of his miracles. They saw him heal the sick, open the eyes of the blind, raise the dead, and feed thousands with a meager amount of food. But yet when Jesus asked them who did they think he was. Only Simon Peter was able to correctly identify him (Matthew 16:15-16)

Likewise the Jews were also in attendance to see Jesus do many of his miracles (John 12:37). As a matter of fact they were the primary recipients during many of these miracles. (John 2:1-11, Luke 5:18-26, Luke 5:15, Matt 15:32-38) Just think about how mind blowing this is. Jesus did a very many of his miracles in their view, but yet they wanted him dead (Mark 15:12-13, John 19:14-15). So much for seeing

The Pharisees were also in the neighborhood to see Jesus and to see some of his miracles (Matt 9:34, Luke 5:17, Luke 6:6-11). But yet they were constantly plotting of ways to trap and destroy him (Matt 12:14, Mark 12:13 ).

So here we see 3 perfect examples of 3 groups of people who were not visually or mentally impaired, and if they were Jesus probably healed them of their impairments. But yet out of these three groups only one individual (Simon Peter) was able at that time to come to the knowledge of who Jesus is. Now let us ask ourselves; what made Peter so different that he was able to see and know that Christ was the Messias. Well if we study Matt 16:17 you will see the answer. The reason that Peter was able to see and know that Jesus was the Messias was because God the Father had given him the revelation (Matthew 16:17). The rest could not know this because the Father had not revealed this as of yet to them.

Let me present to you another example using one of your present day characters. Take one of your stars for instance. Let’s say Tim Lahaye. If you didn’t watch any T.V. or read any periodicals, you may have Mr. Lahaye come up to you and greet you without you knowing him. Then later on a friend may approach you and ask you, did you see Tim Lahaye in town today. Of course your answer is going to be no because you did not know that you had seen him. But you did see him, you just didn’t know it.

For those of who may still not understand, let me present you with one more example, which you may be able to relate to. When a child or an adult is first introduced to mathematics, they are oblivious to what they are looking at. The child or adult is only able to see numbers or the equation. They have no idea how to arrive at the solution or what the numbers are used for. It is only after you have revealed to this child or adult the purpose, use and the steps used to come to a solution are they able to know what they are looking at.

It is important to remember that all of these examples had two things in common. They all saw what they were looking at. But they all did not know what they were looking at until an outside influence revealed it to them.

Now someone might ask; why did Peter receive the revelation at that time. Well we must understand that there are many factors which are involved when it comes to receiving revelation from God. The most important factor is your disposition or mindset. There are certain dispositions or mindsets that block and there are certain dispositions or mindsets that open your spirit to revelation. Today let’s take a look at some individual dispositions or mindsets which can block the entrance of revelation into your spirit.

God: God gives revelation to whomever he wills. If he doesn’t want to give it to you, then there isn’t too much you can do. But if you examine yourself you might find something in you that is blocking it, or it may not be the right time. (Prov 10:20, Psalm 5:5)

Hardness of heart: This is a disposition or mindset that is lacking in consideration, compassion and gentleness. This type of mindset is also obdurate, resentful, and resistant to change even when it is wrong. (Prov 28:14, Mark 6:52, Mark 8:17-18)

Pride and Vain in heart, mind, spirit: This tends to lead to the hardening of the heart. The dispositions or mindsets that are infected with this tends to feel that others are unworthy and inferior to them. They tend to think that their way is the best way. They also have an excessive over-appreciation of their own importance, appearance, and achievements. And because of this they do not listen when the voice of reason from God speaks to give them revelation. (Prov11:2, Prov16:18)

Foolish in heart, mind, spirit: These dispositions or mindsets are lacking in sense, judgement, and discretion. They are easily engaged by absurd and ridiculous notions. (Prov19:3, Prov15:7, Psalm 5:5)

Carnal, Fleshly, Sensual heart, mind, spirit) These dispositions or mindsets are inclined to bodily pleasures. These love to gratify the physical more than the spiritual. These mindset have become an enemy of the Living God who must be worshipped in spirit. (Rom8:6-8, Col. 2:18, Jude:19)

Gross in heart, mind, spirit: This is a disposition or mindet that is excessively obese. It has been growing and spreading with excessive riches, and luxuriance. And because of this it has become lazy, indolent, lethargic, and apathetic. This type of disposition or mindset tends to elicit disgust and judgement from God rather than revelation. (Matt. 13:15, Jer. 5:27-28, Eze. 32:16)

Double minded and Lukewarm heart, mind, spirit): These dispositions or mindsets are lacking in conviction. They are like warm waves of the sea. Driven and tossed about by every wind of doctrine. These are most likely to get spit out than to receive revelations.(James 1:5-8, Jude:13, Rev. 3:15-16)

Wicked and Iniquitous heart, mind, spirit: These dispositions or mindsets have the nature of immorality and depravity. They are not moved by gross injustices; as a matter of fact they welcome it. (Prov10:20, Psalm 5:5)

So if your mind has been overly tainted by anyone of these diseases you will not know what truly is going on in the world around you. You will succeed in repeating the same mistakes as your predecessor Israel. You will succeed in estranging yourself from God and his Messias, and incurring the wrath that is to come. You will see but you will not know that the Man of Sin or Anti-Christ is here until it is too late. You will see Messias coming with the clouds of heaven, (Rev1:7) but you will not know that it is him until it is to late. You will be a physical seeing, but spiritual blind man or woman.

“Knowing is not present in the physical sight but knowing is present in spiritual revelation."

Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Drewgie · Kitten Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

I agree that when Christ first came there were those, and today still are, those who "look but do not see". However, I believe that when he returns there will be NO doubt, even among those who previously disregarded the Gospel. Atleast I can think of no Biblical evidence that would make me think as such.

I mean, it says he's going to come from the clouds and all eyes will see him. I think that its quite a bit harder to "see" but not "know" Christ when he descends from the heavens as opposed to shaking your hand when you happen to bump into him on the street.
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Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Drewgie · Kitten Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

Um. . . He's Jesus. God manifested as a human being. He can do whatever he pleases.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject:

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Hbr 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when [there was] no strange [god] among you: therefore ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I [am] God.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that [is] upon the earth.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and [there was] a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Job 38:37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

Psa 57:10 For thy mercy [is] great unto the heavens, and thy truth unto the clouds.

Psa 68:34 Ascribe ye strength unto God: his excellency [is] over Israel, and his strength [is] in the clouds.

Psa 25:10 All the paths of the LORD [are] mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
2Jo 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD [will be] the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Job 37:21 And now [men] see not the bright light which [is] in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them.

peace
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

riding a cloud; walking on water...same thing...

Drewgie · Kitten Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

Drewgie · Kitten Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

God has unlimited power despite being in spiritual form or physical form. It's why he is called omnipotent. You simply can't limit him.
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Mindonfire · Alley Cat Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 188

FFT · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:43 am Post subject:

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Roger459 · Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject:

(John 19:19-20) And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
(John 19:20) This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

(John 2:19-to-22) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
(Joh 2:20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
(Joh 2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.
(Joh 2:22) When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

(John 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Thanks, Roger R.