The Identity of the Beast Revealed!

philer · Little Goldfish Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Posts: 54

ron,i too have to disagree with your perspective that the beast is all evil and not an actual being ,the book of revelation clearly states that they worshipped the beast and his image,making the beast a actual person.

Ron · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:38 am Post subject:

philer · Little Goldfish Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Posts: 54

larry,because of the word "his" or "him" used ,i dont know of an object,and idea or concept that takes a personfication,such as he or him. And by that standard of the literalness of the text being in question then certainly it all is in question and no one could read any of it with any certainty or clarity whatsoever because it all could be read in light of it could mean anything because you cant take any of it literally. Of course some of it is symbollic to us,but much of it is not,there is a religion and a beast and he has an image and he causes them to worship him,we also note that the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire along with the devil,so are we to presume by the non-literal stance that the devil isnt really a being either to be tortured forever. realistically ron you have to say in order for them to be tortured they must be actual beings.

Acerohombre · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject:

It is not in Revelation but it is in 1John 2:18, 22, 4:3, 2 John 1:7 as being against Christ (as you stated The "antichrist" is all who do not believe Jesus is the Christ. That includes everyone of this mindset. Again, this is not an individual but all who subscribe to that notion.)

There are other names found in the Bible.
man of sin, son of perdition 2Thes 2:3.
You probably know this. I guess the better name would be that this man of sin will be the culmination of all antichrists.

Acerohombre · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject:

Ron · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:33 pm Post subject:

MoJo · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:44 pm Post subject:

Isaiah 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Where did evil originate? If God created everything, then He must have created Satan and the ability within him to do evil. Adam and Eve had the seed in them to be able to commit sin. Angels had the knowledge of good and bad. Where did they get it from?

I am not saying God is evil, but I am saying all things good and evil must be part of His make-up in order for Him to know what it is and to place this characteristic in his creations. Very Happy

HeKkLeR · Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2003 8:58 pm Post subject:

The passages from the book of Daniel that you are quoting call for wisdom to interpret correctly. Many have tried...

Javan · Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:25 pm Post subject:

Would anyone agree with me in saying that the spirit of antichrist is rampant in our churches today (regardless of denomination and/or doctrine)?

ELI · Alley Cat Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 181

1) Doing so will prove nothing.

2) You have no desire to learn, only to sow discord amongst the brethren

I posted this in light of your false accusations and teaching.

Peace-- out!

Javan · Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:07 pm Post subject:

HeKkLeR · Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject:

Javan must have really touched a nerve, eh ELI?

Laughing

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kris007 · Sea Monkey Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 12

first i want to say that i only have limited knowledge of the bible so i could be wrong and i am new here and i am a new christian

well anyway , about this antichrist i do want to say that i think it will be one government and the beast will be the leader of that government , it will be a man

this part is just guessing though and just how it could happen
(some have said here that it could be usa , i really doubt that , i think the beast will rise in russia ( it will come through the line of magog )and will form an alliance with a few other european nations like germany and france , and when russia attacks israel i guess the usa and GB will declare war on russia and the others in the alliance , my guess is that china will not do anything at first but then when japan joins on the usa GB side, it will join the russians and their allies , i don't think that this war will take long , i think the usa and it's remaining allies will be surprised by this move from russia and will be defeated pretty quick cause the bible says that the beast will have the highest authority for those 3 and a half years and will conquer all nations also the ones that are "righteous" )
i think that whoever that beast will be it will be the worst ever and nothing that we have seen in the past will even come close to what will happen during that time , remember it is the end and the final and only chance left for the devil to kill all jews and gentiles that refuse to worship him , he will be the being behind the beast , he will control the beast and it will win that war and will kill almost everyone that refuses to worship him , there will be alot less mercy then during the ruling of other beasts like hitler , the control will be alot more absolute and cause of technology people with the "mark" will have serious difficulties to survive , noone will want to sell them food and no matter how much money they have , they won't be able to buy things , i think for the christians and israelites that have missed the rapture it will be a very very tough 3 and a half years , also don't forget that the holy spirit will not be here for the first time in more then 2000 years( the hearts of the people that accepted the mark of the beast will turn cold : i guess that will mean that there will be no mercy for the ones that didn't accept the mark ) , god will not be on earth during those 3 and a half years , something will trigger this event , not sure what but must be a reason why the holy spirit cant stay here

i do think that the year 2004 / 2007 like someone suggested here wil be too early , i think it will be more like 2027 / 2028 the technology is not yet here for that beast , well i could be wrong hehe , but think we have a little bit more to go before we will get there
but things are happening right now , that is true , more and more the christians will face prosecution cause of what they believe in , alos in the west !!! tolerance for christians will slowly but sure decline ( look at all those things happening around gay rights and such , i mean right now if you say that being gay is a sin they could sue you and prolly win !! if you compare that to 100 years ago ...)

there are several prophecies that are already fullfilled like israel is a nation again , they are rebuilding babylon , they are rebuilding the temple in jerusalem and we see more and more natural disasters like earthquakes , floods , ...

and something else about the beast it must be pretty awesome and powerful , because in the scripture it says that when people recognize him , they will worship him and will wonder if anyone is capable of beating him , so no idea who it will be(although it shoukld be a past beast that is "supernaturally" brought back ) , but i am guessing his military power will be huge and noone will have any defense , not even the us , maybe cause the beast won't rely just on humans ?? but also on supernatural beings ??

Javan · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:26 am Post subject:

James1-26 · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:31 am Post subject:

How can someone come to the understand that the EU is some how tied to the beast? What does the EU have to do with anything?
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