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HolyGhostPower
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 Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: Jehovah's Witness CULT video! |
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| Go to http://www.watchthetower.com/ There is a 58 minute video about the Jehovah's Witness cult and their many false prophecies. Also, there are ex-jehovah's witnesses who tell of their experiences in the Watchtower cult. |
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TBax
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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HGP,
Prove to me your religion,Oneness Pentacostal, is not a cult.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not inspired prophets,so they don't make prophesies.
There are web sites and organizations against Jehovah's Witnesses.Would you expect anything less than these attacks against the true religion,seeing that Satan is the god of this system of things?
Would Satan let the true religion flurish without opposition?
These web sites are the result of Satan's opperation.They are filled with lies.
If you want to bring out points and discuss them,fine.But this is a lame tactic.
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HolyGhostPower
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| TBax wrote: | HGP,
Jehovah's Witnesses are not inspired prophets,so they don't make prophesies.
There are web sites and organizations against Jehovah's Witnesses.Would you expect anything less than these attacks against the true religion,seeing that Satan is the god of this system of things?
Would Satan let the true religion flurish without opposition?
These web sites are the result of Satan's opperation.They are filled with lies.
If you want to bring out points and discuss them,fine.But this is a lame tactic. |
Well here's proof that Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be prophets of God.
"So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a ‘prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it." The Watchtower, 4/1/72, p. 197. (See Deut. 18:21)
So, obviously you do not know the history of your FALSE organization. These websites are not under Satan's operation...the WATCHTOWER is! WHY DO YOU THINK SO MANY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES LEFT THE ORGANIZATION AFTER THE WORLD DID NOT END IN 1914 AND 1925? BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT ACCORDING TO DEUTERONOMY 18:20-22, THE WATCHTOWER IS A FALSE PROPHET! YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, SORRY TO SAY. DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO? DID YOU LISTEN TO THE STORIES OF THESE EX-JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES? THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT JUST LIKE YOU AT ONE TIME, BUT THEY LATER SAW THAT THE WATCHTOWER IS NOT OF GOD AT ALL! FALSE PROPHETS MAKE FALSE PROPHECIES AS THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE DONE ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. ISN'T BETH SARIM A GREAT EMBARASSMENT TO YOU? IT'S A REMINER OF FALSE PROPHECY! READ DEUTERONOMY 18:20-22! |
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FFT
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Guess what, HGP?
This is true of all religions.
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TBax
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HGP,
The interesting thing here is,I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses,and I don't beleive the organization is an inspired prophet,yet you think I do.
What did that 1972 article mean?The following is my responce to another person who asked the very same question:
YOUR QUESTION:1. Do these passages from The Watchtower not suggest that the Society is a prophet
Answer:Yes,they are a prophet,and NO they are not an INSPIRED prophet.Let me explain.
This is the definition of prophet:One through whom divine will and purpose are made known. (Lu 1:70; Ac 3:18-21) Although the etymology of the Hebrew term for a prophet (na·vi´´) is uncertain, the use of this distinctive term shows that true prophets were no ordinary announcers but were spokesmen for God, ‘men of God’ with inspired messages. (1Ki 12:22; 2Ki 4:9; 23:17) They stood in God’s “intimate group,” and he revealed his “confidential matter” to them.—Jer 23:18; Am 3:7; 1Ki 17:1; see SEER.
The Greek pro·phe´tes literally means “a speaker out [Gr., pro, “before” or “in front of,” and phe·mi´, “say”]” and thus describes a proclaimer, one who makes known messages attributed to a divine source. (Compare Tit 1:12.) Though this includes the thought of a predictor of the future, the fundamental meaning of the word is not that of prediction. (Compare Jg 6:7-10.) Nonetheless, living in harmony with God’s will requires that the individual know what Jehovah’s revealed purposes for the future are so that he may bring his ways, desires, and goals into line with the divine will. Hence, in the great majority of cases, the Biblical prophets did convey messages that were, directly or indirectly, related to the future.
The Watchtower does speak out,and proclaims messages from God's word the Bible.In this sence they are a prophet.Yet they are not inspired Prophets.They do not receive direct messages from God,nor do they claim to be infalible
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Let me tell you a secret.The only ones who call them a prophet,however,are people like you who want to discredit them.I don't walk around calling them a prophet.And the only article that you guys point to is this 1972 article,that was trying to say they speak out like the prophets of old,not saying they are inspired like those prophets.They can,and they have made mistakes,because they are not inspired prophets.
YOUR QUESTION:2.Is their failed prophecies not in contradiction to Deuteronomy 18:20-22
ANSWER:No.They do not make prophesies.If not having a correct understanding of certain things make one a false prophet,I have information you should read.Maybe you already read it from Brenton on another site.
I believe even though I explained this,you will still say their failed expectations are false prophesies.Am I correct?
The society,or Watchtower organization receives angelic direction and is guided by Holy Spirit,but not inspired like the Bible was.There is a difference.
Angelic direction and support does not mean Spirit Inspired.No word of Jehovah can fail.The Bible is God's word not the Watchtower.However the Watchtower understands more of the Bible than most,they know Jesus is now ruling and when he began to rule,they know Armageddon is right in front of us,and what we must do to escape that destruction.The Governments will turn on all false Religion and destroy it,and then they will turn on true Religion and that is when Jesus stands up in our behalf and brings the destruction of armageddon.Perhaps the only way you will understand is when this happens and you will know that a "prophet" was among you.
THIS IS WHAT THE WATCHTOWER IS SAYING.THEY ARE NOT SAYING THEY ARE INSPIRED PROPHETS,AND CAN MAKE NEW PROPHESIES.
It does not matter what your definition of prophet is.If you are quoting from the Watchtower you need only to understand the Watchtowers definition is and in what sence they are using it to understand what they mean.The Watchtower does speak out,and proclaims messages from God's word the Bible.In this sence they are a prophet.Yet they are not inspired Prophets.They do not receive direct, or new messages from God,nor do they claim to be infalible .
Listen carefully.I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.I do not believe the faithful and discrete slave is inspired of God.I Believe God directs them,but again they are not INSPIRED.Plain and simple,I do not believe they are an inspired prophet.They are the slave Jesus entrusts with the truth.The light that grows progressively brighter.
The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name;SHOW ME ANY so called "PROPHISIES" THE WATCHTOWER MADE IN WHICH THEY SAID "This is what Jehovah has said."
Again,not having a accurate understanding of certain things does not make one a false prophet.Do you understand everything?Does that make you a false prophet?
Before you cast judgement as to who is Satan's servant perhaps you should get the facts.You are speaking a load of rot.No Witness of Jehovah,with a sound mind, believes the Watchtower is inspired of God.Yet you think we do.We do appreciate the faithful and discerete slave for helping us to understand the Bible,and be able to see through the doctrine of men.They do alot of work and provide alot of info.In over 120 years of publishing you are bound to find things they said that are wrong,after all they are imperfect,and not inspired.
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HolyGhostPower
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| TBax wrote: | HGP,
The interesting thing here is,I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses,and I don't beleive the organization is an inspired prophet,yet you think I do.
What did that 1972 article mean?The following is my responce to another person who asked the very same question:
YOUR QUESTION:1. Do these passages from The Watchtower not suggest that the Society is a prophet
Answer:Yes,they are a prophet,and NO they are not an INSPIRED profit.Let me explain.
This is the definition of profit:One through whom divine will and purpose are made known. (Lu 1:70; Ac 3:18-21) Although the etymology of the Hebrew term for a prophet (na·vi´´) is uncertain, the use of this distinctive term shows that true prophets were no ordinary announcers but were spokesmen for God, ‘men of God’ with inspired messages. (1Ki 12:22; 2Ki 4:9; 23:17) They stood in God’s “intimate group,” and he revealed his “confidential matter” to them.—Jer 23:18; Am 3:7; 1Ki 17:1; see SEER.
The Greek pro·phe´tes literally means “a speaker out [Gr., pro, “before” or “in front of,” and phe·mi´, “say”]” and thus describes a proclaimer, one who makes known messages attributed to a divine source. (Compare Tit 1:12.) Though this includes the thought of a predictor of the future, the fundamental meaning of the word is not that of prediction. (Compare Jg 6:7-10.) Nonetheless, living in harmony with God’s will requires that the individual know what Jehovah’s revealed purposes for the future are so that he may bring his ways, desires, and goals into line with the divine will. Hence, in the great majority of cases, the Biblical prophets did convey messages that were, directly or indirectly, related to the future.
The Watchtower does speak out,and proclaims messages from God's word the Bible.In this sence they are a prophet.Yet they are not inspired Prophets.They do not receive direct messages from God,nor do they claim to be infalible
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Let me tell you a secret.The only ones who call them a prophet,however,are people like you who want to discredit them.I don't walk around calling them a prophet.And the only article that you guys point to is this 1972 article,that was trying to say they speak out like the prophets of old,not saying they are inspired like those prophets.They can,and they have made mistakes,because they are not inspired prophets.
YOUR QUESTION:2.Is their failed prophecies not in contradiction to Deuteronomy 18:20-22
ANSWER:No.They do not make prophesies.If not having a correct understanding of certain things make one a false prophet,I have information you should read.Maybe you already read it from Brenton on another site.
I believe even though I explained this,you will still say their failed expectations are false prophesies.Am I correct?
The society,or Watchtower organization receives angelic direction and is guided by Holy Spirit,but not inspired like the Bible was.There is a difference.
Angelic direction and support does not mean Spirit Inspired.No word of Jehovah can fail.The Bible is God's word not the Watchtower.However the Watchtower understands more of the Bible than most,they know Jesus is now ruling and when he began to rule,they know Armageddon is right in front of us,and what we must do to escape that destruction.The Governments will turn on all false Religion and destroy it,and then they will turn on true Religion and that is when Jesus stands up in our behalf and brings the destruction of armageddon.Perhaps the only way you will understand is when this happens and you will know that a "prophet" was among you.
THIS IS WHAT THE WATCHTOWER IS SAYING.THEY ARE NOT SAYING THEY ARE INSPIRED PROPHETS,AND CAN MAKE NEW PROPHESIES.
It does not matter what your definition of prophet is.If you are quoting from the Watchtower you need only to understand the Watchtowers definition is and in what sence they are using it to understand what they mean.The Watchtower does speak out,and proclaims messages from God's word the Bible.In this sence they are a prophet.Yet they are not inspired Prophets.They do not receive direct, or new messages from God,nor do they claim to be infalible .
Listen carefully.I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses.I do not believe the faithful and discrete slave is inspired of God.I Believe God directs them,but again they are not INSPIRED.Plain and simple,I do not believe they are an inspired prophet.They are the slave Jesus entrusts with the truth.The light that grows progressively brighter.
The true prophet would speak in Jehovah's name;SHOW ME ANY so called "PROPHISIES" THE WATCHTOWER MADE IN WHICH THEY SAID "This is what Jehovah has said."
Again,not having a accurate understanding of certain things does not make one a false prophet.Do you understand everything?Does that make you a false prophet?
Before you cast judgement as to who is Satan's servant perhaps you should get the facts.You are speaking a load of rot.No Witness of Jehovah,with a sound mind, believes the Watchtower is inspired of God.Yet you think we do.We do appreciate the faithful and discerete slave for helping us to understand the Bible,and be able to see through the doctrine of men.They do alot of work and provide alot of info.In over 120 years of publishing you are bound to find things they said that are wrong,after all they are imperfect,and not inspired. |
Is it true that the Watchtower's prophecy that Armageddon will come before "the end of the generation of 1914" (You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, pg 154), is no longer taught as "the Truth"? If so, then does this mean that this teaching of the Watchtower, which they have taught as "the Truth" for decades, was really a false teaching? Since the Watchtower claims that they are the "one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things" (Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg 626) and that the governing body is "the mouthpiece of Jehovah God", does this mean that God changed His mind about this teaching and the definition of "generation"? Is it possible that God could change His mind? Has the Watchtower ever changed their mind before about a teaching that they once taught as "the Truth"? The Watchtower has taught that Armageddon was going to occur in:
1914 - The Time Is At Hand, 1888 (1911 ed.), pg 101; Zion 's Watchtower, 1/15/1892, pg22
1915 - The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, pg. 99
1918 - The Finished Mystery, 1917, pg 62, 485
1925 - Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, pg 89-90, Watchtower, 7/15/24, pg 211
1931 - Vindication, Book 1, pg. 147
WWII - Watchtower, 9/15/41, pg 288
1975 - Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, pg 3; AWAKE!, 10/8/68, etc.
In addition, the Watchtower claims that it is the “mouthpiece for Jehovah”, “God’s one and only channel of communication to the world”, etc., clearly claiming to speak for God. Since Deuteronomy 18:20-22 says that a false prophet is anyone who claims to speak for God and makes a prophecy that does not come true, doesn’t this make the Watchtower a modern day false prophet according to scripture? Can a true prophet make even ONE false prophecy? What does scripture say about false prophets? See Matthew 7:15, 24:11, Mark 13:22, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 John 4:1, Revelation 16:13-14, 19:20, 20:10. Why would anyone willingly follow an organization that has repeatedly proven itself to be a false prophet, according to biblical standards? Since God does not tell lies or change his mind (Numbers 23:19, Psalms 89:34, Hebrews 6:18), and since it is clear that the Watchtower could not have possibly been speaking for God when they made these false prophecies, then how do you know that the Watchtower is speaking for God now? See Zephaniah 3:13 and Isaiah 28:15.
Is it true that the Watchtower once taught that:
1.) The second presence of Christ started in 1874 (Watchtower, 11/1/22, pgs 332-337; Prophecy, 1929, pg 65-66)
2.) Vaccinations never saved a human life, doesn’t prevent smallpox, and are condemned (Golden Age, Feb 4, 1931, pg 293-4)
3.) The great pyramid of Egypt is a witness of the Lord (Watchtower, May 15, 1925 pgs 148-9)
4.) God governs the universe from a star called Alcyone (Thy Kingdom Come, 1903 Ed, pg 327)
5.) Leviathan of the Bible is the steam locomotive (The Finished Mystery, pg 84-86)
6.) Tonsillectomy is condemned; better to commit suicide than have a tonsillectomy (Golden Age, April 7, 1926, pg 438)
7.) In the new world, Abraham will rule New York City (Golden Age, Oct 5, 1927, pg 26/29)
8.) The black race originated with Noah’s curse upon Canaan (Golden Age, Jul 24, 1929, pg 702)
9.) Jews are no longer important to God (Vindication, Vol. 2, pgs. 257-258)
10.) God wears clothes (Golden Age, May 19, 1926, pg 534)
11.) The Watchtower stands for the principles of Nazi Germany (Yearbook 1934, pg 134-137)
12.) Aspirin is the menace of heart disease (Golden Age, Feb 27, 1935, pg 343-344)
13.) Do not use X-rays (Golden Age, Sept 23, 1936, pg 828)
14.) In 1938, people should not get married (Face the Facts, pg 46-50)
15.) Organ transplants were condemned as cannibalistic (Watchtower, November 15, 1967, pg 702-4)?
The Watchtower teaches that it is the mouthpiece for Jehovah and God’s one and only channel of communication to the world. Since God does not tell lies or change his mind (Numbers 23:19, Psalms 89:34, Hebrews 6:18), and since it is clear that the Watchtower could not have possibly been speaking for God when they proclaimed these teachings, then how do you know that the Watchtower is speaking for God now? See Zephaniah 3:13 and Isaiah 28:15.
Does Proverbs 4:18 really justify an organization replacing doctrines and failed prophecies with new doctrines and prophecies, or does it simply contrast the benefit to the "righteous" of obeying a wise father (Proverbs 4:10-19)? A false teaching can be called a "false word" and Proverbs 13:5 says, "A false word is what the righteous hates..." When the Watchtower changes a teaching to something that is totally different or even the exact opposite of a previous teaching, is it like a light that is “getting brighter and brighter” or more like having one false light (word) completely turned off and a totally different light turned on? Do you think the Watchtower would be critical of any other religious organization that changed its teachings as many times on as many different issues over the last 100 years as the Watchtower has? In addition, Jude 3 says, “…to put up a hard fight for the faith that was ONCE FOR ALL TIME DELIVERED to the holy ones.” Since the faith was established and “once for all time delivered” to the first century Christians, and since the Bible doesn’t change and God doesn’t lie or change his mind (Numbers 23:19, Psalms 89:34, Hebrews 6:18), why the need for constant “new light” and ever changing teachings of the Watchtower, many of which directly contradict its former teachings?
If the Watchtower claims they are not "inspired" but does refer to themselves as "God's spirit-directed Prophet", what is the difference? Is there such a thing as an "uninspired true prophet"? Why would anyone be part of a religious organization which claimed that their teachings were NOT inspired? |
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TBax
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: |
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HGP,
Listen up,genius.They DON'T MAKE PROPHESIES.
Show me what they said in that Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, pg 3; OR AWAKE!, 10/8/68, that taught Armageddon was going to occur in 1975.
Also show me what they said that proves this--11.) The Watchtower stands for the principles of Nazi Germany (Yearbook 1934, pg 134-137)
If you copied and pasted these "facts" from a Witness bashing site,you need to understand those sites are filled with lies and half truths.Prove these 2 things you asserted by giving me the word for word out of these publications that would make that assertion correct.
YOURS:Why would anyone be part of a religious organization which claimed that their teachings were NOT inspired?
MINE:Your organization is inspired?Tell me some of their prophesies.
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TBax
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HGP,
YOURS:why the need for constant “new light” and ever changing teachings of the Watchtower, many of which directly contradict its former teachings?
MINE: Why the need for constant “new light” ?
Prov 4:18 But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.
You see no need for the light getting brighter?
They do alot of work and provide alot of info.In over 120 years of publishing you are bound to find things they said that are wrong,after all they are imperfect,and not inspired.Especially is this true in the beginning when the light wasn't shining as brightly as it is now.
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TBax
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HGP,
To show you how these sites provide Half truths and lies,notice what they point to as proof.
"God's heavenly kingdom will rule over the earth for one thousand years after the end of this system of things." Awake!, 10/8/68, p.14.
"In view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous." Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, p. 3.
DO YOU GET ANY IDEA THAT ARMAGEDDON IS COMING IN 1975 FROM THESE?
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ON ONE SITE I FOUND Life Everlasting In Freedom Of The Sons Of God, 1966, p.29
According to this trustworthy Bible chronolgy six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975 . . . man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes within this generation".
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MINE:The part they ...ed out was "So six thousand years of" man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes within this generation".
Can you see how these sites twist things?Nothing about Armageddon coming in 1975.
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THEIRS:
ALSO Our Kingdom Ministry, 3/68, p.4
The site said ""Just think brothers, only 90 months left .... the majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out."
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MINE:What they ...ed out was :Just think brothers, only 90 months left "before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed."
No mention of Armageddon in 1975.CAN YOU SEE HOW THIS SITE TWISTED THINGS TO MAKE IT look like THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION TAUGHT ARMAGEDDON WAS SUPPOSE TO COME 90 MONTHS LATTER?
Lies and half truths.
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Regarding that yearbook:*** Yearbook 1934 p.135 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position.
*** Yearbook 1934 Page 136 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.
MINE:Did you notice the principles they were against were Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations.The witnesses put their hope in "Jehovah God through Christ Jesus that will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity"iF YOU READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE YOU WOULD SEE JW'S DO NOT SUPPORT HUMAN GOVERNMENTS BUT GOD'S KINGDOM.Just because a government may support a principal that we can agree with doesn't mean we support that government.We support no human government but God's Kingdom,to bring a realization to all good principals.
They site made it sound like the JW's supported the German government,when it was a principle they agreed with,but understood the only realization would come through God,when his Kingdom rules over this earth.
These sites provide Lies and half truths.
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HolyGhostPower
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| TBax wrote: | HGP,
To show you how these sites provide Half truths and lies,notice what they point to as proof.
"God's heavenly kingdom will rule over the earth for one thousand years after the end of this system of things." Awake!, 10/8/68, p.14.
"In view of the short time left, a decision to pursue a career in this system of things is not only unwise but extremely dangerous." Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, p. 3.
DO YOU GET ANY IDEA THAT ARMAGEDDON IS COMING IN 1975 FROM THESE?
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ON ONE SITE I FOUND Life Everlasting In Freedom Of The Sons Of God, 1966, p.29
According to this trustworthy Bible chronolgy six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975 . . . man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes within this generation".
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MINE:The part they ...ed out was "So six thousand years of" man's existence on earth will soon be up, yes within this generation".
Can you see how these sites twist things?Nothing about Armageddon coming in 1975.
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THEIRS:
ALSO Our Kingdom Ministry, 3/68, p.4
The site said ""Just think brothers, only 90 months left .... the majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out."
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MINE:What they ...ed out was :Just think brothers, only 90 months left "before 6000 years of man's existence on earth is completed."
No mention of Armageddon in 1975.CAN YOU SEE HOW THIS SITE TWISTED THINGS TO MAKE IT look like THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION TAUGHT ARMAGEDDON WAS SUPPOSE TO COME 90 MONTHS LATTER?
Lies and half truths.
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Regarding that yearbook:*** Yearbook 1934 p.135 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position.
*** Yearbook 1934 Page 136 ***
[Note: not available on 1993/1995/1999 CD-ROM]
Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.
MINE:Did you notice the principles they were against were Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations.The witnesses put their hope in "Jehovah God through Christ Jesus that will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity"iF YOU READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE YOU WOULD SEE JW'S DO NOT SUPPORT HUMAN GOVERNMENTS BUT GOD'S KINGDOM.Just because a government may support a principal that we can agree with doesn't mean we support that government.We support no human government but God's Kingdom,to bring a realization to all good principals.
They site made it sound like the JW's supported the German government,when it was a principle they agreed with,but understood the only realization would come through God,when his Kingdom rules over this earth.
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You can say whatever you want about all this, but one thing is certain...Unless you believe that Jesus is God, you WILL die in your SINS! Read John 8:24! I will NEVER believe that Jesus is not God...Because He has filled me with His Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, and He has done the same with MILLIONS of other people. According to the BIBLE, ALL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE LOST! I think you would like that book "The DaVinci Code," because it also DENIES the DEITY of Christ, along with other HERESIES. OH, AND BY THE WAY...PROVERBS 4:18 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPHECIES AT ALL!
According to 1 John 5:12, 13, only two categories of people, past and present, exists. Which category are you in? _____I HAVE JESUS _____I DON’T HAVE JESUS.
Does the Bible ever cite an example of a true prophet relying upon Prov. 4:18 to escape being branded a “false prophet”? _____YES _____NO.
Do false prophets make false prophecies? _____YES _____NO.
Does the evidence identify Zedekiah as a true prophet (2 Chron. 18, especially v. 10)? _____YES _____NO.
Does the evidence identify Micaiah as a true prophet (2 Chron. 18, especially v. 27)? _____YES _____NO.
Did both Zedekiah and Micaiah claim to speak God’s word? _____YES _____NO.
Does time reveal the false prophet? _____YES _____NO.
Does the evidence identify Hananiah as a true prophet (Jer. 28: 2-4)? _____YES _____NO.
Did he contradict Jeremiah’s prophecy in Jer. 25:11? _____YES _____NO.
Does Jer. 28:9 show a similarity between Hananiah and the Watchtower’s many false predictions about 1,000 years of peace coming after Armageddon which was supposed to occur in 1914, then in 1918, then in 1925, then in 1941 and then in 1975? _____YES _____NO. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 1970
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HGP,
YOURS:You can say whatever you want about all this, but one thing is certain...Unless you believe that Jesus is God, you WILL die in your SINS!
John 8:24 Therefore I said to YOU, YOU will die in YOUR sins. For if YOU do not believe that I am [he], YOU will die in YOUR sins.”
MINE:The Jews were looking for the Christ.Jesus is saying he is that one.Does the Bible say we must believe Jesus is God?Show me exactly where.
YOURS:I will NEVER believe that Jesus is not God
MINE:Regardless of what the Bible says?Dangerous.
YOURS:Because He has filled me with His Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues
MINE:What were you saying when you were speaking in tongues?Was there someone there to interpret.According to the scriptures that is the only time the Christians were to use this gift,if someone could understand what they were saying.What were you saying?
YOURS:According to the BIBLE, ALL JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE LOST!
MINE:Oh! Well I never knew that.I have never heard that before.That's enough proof for me.Can't argue with that logic.Nothing like backing things up with the Bible.Since you said According to the BIBLE,it must be true.
YOURS:OH, AND BY THE WAY...PROVERBS 4:18 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROPHECIES AT ALL!
MINE:NO KIDDING.EXACTLY WHAT PART OF THEY ARE -NOT- INSPIRED PROPHETS,AND DO NOT MAKE PROPHESIES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.I'm beginning to wonder if you understand anything that is written.
You don't actually read or understand what I write,do you?Your little questions prove you don't get the point.Let me say this again.THEY ARE NOT INSPIRED PROPHETS.None of your questions apply.
Did you read about the 1975 stuff from those web sites.Did you understand how they twist things.Yet you are still using what you found out to be a lie.I guess that shouldn't supprise me considering what you believe.
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