Paul did not reflect Jesus' compassion towards women.

FFT · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject:

But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

-Carl Sagan
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Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 643

It's funny that you think men are always ahead of women in service, Roger, when, if it wasn't for the women who followed Jesus, no one would know that Jesus had risen. THe women were also the ones by the Lord's side when He died. The men hid their tails and ran.
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Roger459 · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:46 am Post subject: NOT ALL RAN AND HID...!

EVEE,

NOT ALL the men ran and hid! You must read all 4 of the Gosples to get the proper perspective.

NOT ALL men are cowards, and yet many men have become followers as the women have taken over in our society!

LIKE the Florida Female teacher that had sex with a 14 year old boy, AND WORKED OUT A PLEA BARGIN!

DO YOU THINK that if the Teacher was MALE = he would have gotten OFF = = SO EASY? Not! ITS THAT POLITICALLY CORRECE [REALLY INCORRECT] MINDSET THAT IS RAMPART HERE IN AMERICA!

Thanks, RR

FFT · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:

Roger459 · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: WHERE WERE THE WOMEN?

WHERE DID THE WOMEN RUN OFF TO = AFTER CHRIST DIED?

DID YOU MISS THESE VERSES IN YOUR SEARCH? THE MEN WERE HERE = WHERE WERE THE WOMEN? ? ?

(John 19:38-to-42) And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

(Joh 19:39) And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

(Joh 19:40) Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

(Joh 19:41) Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

(Joh 19:42) There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

THE WOMEN LEFT AFTER THE CRUCIFITION! IF THEY STUCK AROUND, THEY WOULD HAVE WRAPPED JESUS AS THE MEN DID!

They wouldn't have to come back on the Third Day, as the MEN HAD ALREADY INBALMED THE BODY WITH SPICES AND WRAPPED IT!

IF THE WOMEN STUCK AROUND = = AND DID NOT RUN OFF = = THEY WOULD HAVE HELPED WITH THE WARP!

PLEASE NO MORE DISPARAGING WORDS = = ABOUT MEN!

Thanks, RR

Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 643

Roger,

Where were the women after the crucifixion you asked? Here's some things:

Matthew 27:61 - Mary Magdelene & the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb. (This is when Joseph, the rich man from Arimathea put the body in the tomb)

Mark 15:47 - Mary Magdalene & Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid. (When Joseph of Arimethea laid the body in the tomb)

Luke 23:55-56 - The women who had come w/Jesus from Galilee followed JOseph & saw the tomb & how his body was laid in it. Then they went home & prepared spices & perfumes.

John does not mention any women being there when Joseph laid the body in the tomb. However, in the very next chapter, it begins w/Mary Magdalene going to the tomb & seeing the stone rolled away. How would she know exactly where to go if she was not there when they laid Jesus in there?

So yes, the women were there after the crucifixion.
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Roger459 · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: THEY LEFT ..... !

EVEE,

PERHAPS you could read my previous posting again? WHERE WERE THEY DURNING THE EMBALMING AND THE WRAPPING OF JESUS, AND THE BURIAL OF JESUS?

THEY were not there! AND NO, I am not down on women, I am looking and praying = for a Proverbs 31 & 2Peter 3 - one now!

NOW in todays society, the politically correct one = the Worse their Morals ARE = the more they are liked by everyone.

WOMEN ARE THE KEEPERS OF MORALITY OF A NATON = Quote from a Jewish Mother, in Israel.

AND HOW ABOUT JESSICA SIMPSON AND HER SISITER? Both Calimed to be Christians. And Their Father was supposed to be a Pastor for over 20 years. HE NOW MANAGES BOTH THEIR CAREES.

TO THE POINT. The movie, the Dukes of Hazars, in which Jessica stared in, "DID THAT MOVIE PROMOTE THE HOLINESS OF A CHRISTIAN WOMAN OR NOT? NOT! She even married an unbeliever and now they are getting divorced? THEY ARE REAL GOOD EXAMPLES OF = = TODAYS CHRISTIAN WOMAN? OR NOT? NOT!

And to take the point = WITHOUT GETTING YOU UPSET? Please read Romans 1:All. Then ANSWER the Question: Who left the Natural Use of the Humans in the Relations? Was it the Man -or- Was it the Woman? When you answer = IF YOU ANSWER = please use the verese from Romans 1?

SPECIAL NOTE: We are All Siners = MEN ARE SINNERS, WOMEN ARE SINNERS = =AND= = We need a Savior, Christ Jesus! See 1Cor 6:9-10-11.

WE MUST GET RID OF THIS = WE / THEM - - and - - This Women / Men = = differentail attitude!

WE ALL HAVE OUR ROLLS AND OUR PLACES!

Thanks, RR

Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 643

Roger,

I understand that you don't want to come across as being degrading toward women, but comments like this:

Roger459 · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: IMPROPER STATMENT AND INFERENCE!

EVEE.

(Matthew 23:11) But he [SHE] that is greatest among you = shall be your servant.

WHY WOULD YOU INFER SOMETHING THAT I NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED? ?
QUOTE:
I understand that you don't want to come across as being degrading toward women, but comments like this:
Quote:
WE ALL HAVE OUR ROLLS AND OUR PLACES!
make it sound like us women need to be barefoot & pregnant, in the kitchen! Come on, Roger, you're more intelligent than that!!!

WHEN DID I EVER INFER OR IMPLY = that women, [any woman] should be barefoor & pregant, in the kitchen? NEVER!

THAT IS THE LIE THAT THE ABORTIONISTS USE AGAINST MEN IN THEIR 'family [destruction] planning death camps!'

YOU did not answer my question about Romans 1 ? ? Could you not find the answer? Or did you choose not to answer, WHO left the Natural Use FIRST = MAN OR WOMAN?

PERHAPS it is the "Gender Thing" you have against MEN bacause of some man or father or some other MALE? Please do not infer, nor put words into your POST, = THAT I DID NOT SAY OR IMPLY!

WOULD YOU ARGUE WITH GOD'S WORD?

(Tittus 2:3-4-5) The mature women likewise, = that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, = not false accusers, = not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(Tit 2:4) That they = may teach the young women = to be sober, = to love their husbands, = to love their children,
(Tit 2:5) To be discreet, = chaste, keepers at home, = good, = obedient to their own husbands, = THAT THE WORD OF GOD BE NOT BLASPHEMED.

(Galatians 4:16) Am I therefore = become your enemy, = because = I tell you = = The Truth?

In Christ Jesus, Roger
Rev 12:11

Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 643

Roger,

I don't get how you think I'm against men. I'm married to one!!! Very Happy

It's just the words YOU use that seem to imply that YOU'RE against WOMEN! LOL Imagine this for a moment, Roger. What if you said to a woman, "You know your place!" What would that woman think? And I mean really think about how someone would react if you said that to them. THis is exactly how your words came across the screen. That might not have been the way you intended it, but that's the way it came across.

I know what Romans 1 states. I'm wondering what point that proves?

You could never be my enemy, Roger.
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Roger459 · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: A LIE ABOUT PAUL'S STATEMENTS!

YOUR QUOTE:
It's just the words YOU use that seem to imply that YOU'RE against WOMEN!

RESPONSE:

As I address the MAIN THREAD, my responses are towards those THAT ARE IGNORANT = That the Holy Scriptures = WERE WRITTEN BY THE MEN = INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT! See 2Peter 2:21.

I HAVE ADDRESSED = with Holy Scriptures those Ideas, that were put forth that Women were somehow more in ministry TO JESUS, than were men AND VICA VERSA! That premise is a lie!

Just because one woman is married to a man, DOES NOT MEAN that one's attitude toward = MEN IN GENREAL = is right! I have read in your POSTS a certain underlying attitude = AGAINST MEN!

EVEN THAT ATTITTUDE and inference that I would suggest = THE PREMICE OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD [those Abortionists!] that women = are to be kept, barefoot and pregnanat!

(Psalma 127:3) Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: = and the fruit of the womb is His [GOD'S] reward.

ROMANS 1 = proves that women were perverted first, they left the naturla use of the man! Women were the first decieved, Genesis 3:1! Women fail to obey Titus 2:3-4-5, and Ephesians 5:33-b and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

THE ALL AROUND DISTAIN FOR MEN, can even be seen in the Simple Minded ADVERTISEMENTS on the Television, where a MAN is always made to LOOK LIKE AN A-- [donkey]!

REMEMBER MY STATEMENT QUOTED FROM A JEWISH MOTHER OF ISRAEL? "Women keep the MORALITY of a Nation"

(Eze 16:44) Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, = As is the mother, so is her daughter.

PERHAPS, if one will do away with this Post Modernism - Feminist Cultrue MENTALITY = there would be more of an WITNESS FOR CHRIST = AND LESS OF THAT PERVERTED = US -vs- THEM!

REMEMBER YOUR WEDDING VOWS? For Better or for Worse, in Sickness or in Health, for Richer or for Poorer, TILL DEATH DO YOU PART [Romans 7:1-3]

Thanks, Roger

FFT · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:21 am Post subject:

Roger459

TOP LINE = = WHOSE YOUR DADDY? Some scholar = = OR GOD THE FATHER? ? ?

WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE? ? ?

Some Scholar = = OR = = THE GOD THAT CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND KEEPS ALL THINGS? ? ? ?

WHAT is the Agenda of those scholars? IF they do not CONFESS JESUS AS LORD and Savior = = then they are corrupt in their Thesis!

PERHAPS you have never seen what the WORD OF GOD = SAYS ABOUT GOD AND HIS WORD AND THOUGHTS?

(Numbers 23:19) God is not a man, that He should Lie; neither the Son of man, that He should repent: has He said, and shall He not do it? Or has He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

(Isaiah 55:6-to-11) Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
(Isa 55:7) Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
(Isa 55:8) For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
(Isa 55:9) For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
(Isa 55:10) For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
(Isa 55:11) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

BOTTOM LINE = = WHOSE YOUR DADDY? Some scholar = = OR GOD THE FATHER? ? ?

Thanks, Roger

Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 643

Okay Roger. I guess don't understand how you can infer from my writings that I'm against men in general. I don't think that way, never have. I think you're misunderstanding me. All I commented on was the particular statement that YOU made saying, We all have our roles & our PLACES. This kind of statement infers (whether you like to believe it or not) that women have a certain place. When you make statements such as, Men are AHEAD of women in SERVICE. Roger, all I was trying to point out (perhaps badly) was that the women who followed Jesus did a great service to Him by telling the other apostles that He had risen. They were also there during his crucifixion weeping. If you can find for me where the rest of the male apostles were during the crucifixion, please do so.

As you state in YOUR OWN WORDS --