Trying the spirits

cristine · Newbie Alert Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 4

As I read the Holy Bible, I came across the following:

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I am wondering how we could possibly “test the spirits” where everybody I talked to is claiming they all confess “Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,” although they have different recognition of Jesus, such as:

** Some say, "Jesus is only a man and not God"

**Others say, "Jesus is only a minor or mighty God for there is a supreme or Almighty God"

**Many, and we say, "Jesus is both God and man, and He is the second person of the Holy Trinity"

How do we apply this "test" so as to discover a false prophet? Who is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?

The Son, or
The Father

sidwms · Tadpole Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 25

Dear, friend:

The great Bible interpreters have applied these rules:

1) Who is speaking? [John was speaking.]

2) To whom was he speaking? [John was an apostle to the Jews.]

3) In which age was he speaking? [The apostles all admitted being under the law; or, Old Covenant age.]

4) Interpret Scripture with Scripture. [Paul declared that the members of the Body had the Gift of Prophecy. - ! Cor 12.10. Jesus commanded to beware of false prophets. - Mt 7.15.]

5) Does it still apply today? [Yes! Jesus is the only Living Prophet. He had cursed any following prophecies; or, prophets. - Rev 22.18-19.]

Israel was the "original" antichrist; denying the Lord Jesus Anointed had come in the flesh. And, they are still denying this fact today.

The "monophysites" = Jesus without "Anointed' - was a following antichrist.

The "Arians" also denied "Jesus and Anointed" andwere antichrists.

Muhammad, and the Muslims, teach: "God does not need a helper.'
And they are antichrists.

Jehovah's Witnesses come around every year with the antichrist message.

The Christadelphians, of Australia, and Great Britain, and a smaller presence in the United States and Canada, teach:
"We believe in the Son of God, but not in God the Son."
They are present day antichrists. They should have read John 1.1-3.

Presently, the Muslims are trying again to conquer the world for their fake god. The first try was during the First World War, and they surrendered unconditionally in 1918.

They lost Desert Storm.

Now they are killing each other in Iraq.

Praise the Lord God Almighty and Jesus Anointed!

sidwms
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cristine · Newbie Alert Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 4

The Apostles gave us this warning:

2 Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Who is JESUS preached by the Apostles? If we simply say, “He is the child born in Bethlehem, grew in Nazareth, preached and performed many miracles in the different places in Israel, hated by the religious leaders that they crucified Him on the cross, rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, and coming back again, all preachers today identify HIM as such.

Therefore, can we identify JESUS of the Apostles before coming in the flesh? I suppose this where the different recognitions of Him will vary among professing apostles of Christ. What do you think?

lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:12 am Post subject:

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

in my opinion cristine i believe the verse is refering to Christ living within the flesh *the spirit* of the believer. And anti-christs do not confess that Christ is in them.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

peace
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

sidwms · Tadpole Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 25

Cristine wrote:

"if we can identify Jesus ... before coming in the flesh."

1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was from [pros] the God, and God was the Word- Jn 1.1-12.

2) Jesus was named, "The Word of the God" - Rev 19.13.

Through the centuries many had denied the preexistence of Jesus.
But this is stated clearly, many times, in grade school grammar.
All of these "false conclusions", that I have read: Ignore the Bible and dive in to useless speculations.

A good deal of the "Good Messsage" (Gospel is wrong) is in the Old Testament prophets.
Paul described the Jews in the wilderness - 1 Cor 10.1-4.
Isaiah's "virgin" (Isa 7.14) is quoted - Mt 1.23.

Note: "Behold, the woman from her conceiving, and she will bear a son ..." - Isa 7.14.

The prefix "M" (from) suppressed the first letter of the word "woman"; as had been done frequently; and so, I have never seen a translatiion based on the "real" word. They work from Strong's #5959 -
HML'.
But when we add the letter suppressed by the prefix "M" (from), then we have Strong's #1167 - L'B (Baal) = "man."
When the suffix "H" (her) is added, it reads "female man" (HL'B).

The expression "from her conceiving" means Isaiah was identifying a virgin; or, one "removed from conceiving."

Much of the Good Message is taught like this in the Old Testament.

lone-traveler is mistaken; writing, "in the flesh" means "in the believer."

"In the flesh" means that "God came in the flesh."

Consider the "dividing" of the Godhead:

"This mind be in you which was also in Anointed Iesous; who being in form of God, did not consider robbery the equal in God; but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a servant, and coming in the likeness of men ..." - Php 2.5-7.

So then, one God was in Third Heaven (A Living Spirit), and the second God was on earth, in the flesh, "God with us" (Immanuel).

"In the flesh" means "in the flesh."

sidwms
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject:

sidwms...
there is only one God.
It is his Christ, his spirit, that enters into the flesh of men.
Jesus the Christ is the man who was filled with the spirit of God. The firstborn of many. It is God's Christ that is living within the believer.
Without God's spirit you are not his.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

2Ti 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Christ in the flesh.

1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

that's how I understand it sidwms.

peace
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Roger459

(1Cor 14:32-33) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
(1Cor 14:33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Strange as it seem, our nation has not been led "TO THINK!" We often take the news report for what it says and believe it! I am just the opposite! IF you will listen to any one particular news story on CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS - one can Hardly Believe that it is the Same Story!

THAT IS BECAUSE OF THEIR AGENDA! Like the bumper sticker, "no body dies - when Clinton lied!" THAT in itself is a lie! Before Clintol left office, he ordered those 38 cruise missles to be fired as supposed terrorist fortifications. The result was the Time Table Advancement that resulted in the Sept 11 - i.e. 911 Twin Tower incident where almost 4,000 died!

The above verses are liken to that Example. FALSE prophets, will Lie about the Word of GOD, will turn the Grace of God into Lasciviounsenss, See Jude 1:4 & 2Tim 3:1-to-7. They LIE or Partially LIE and make diluted the Word of GOD!

TRUE PROPHETS= will always AGREE 100% with the Word of GOD! Look at Acts 17:11. What did they use = to Prove the Apostles DOCTRINE? Of course it was the Old Testament! The NT was still being written!

THEIR AGENDA = WILL DETERMINE THEIR DOCTRINE! Either True or False!

Please visit my home page, as there is much material there to TRY THE SPIRITS!

Thanks, RR

scarecrow · Tadpole Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 20

Roger459 · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:48 am Post subject:

***(Hebrews 5:12-13-14) For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
(Heb 5:13) For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
(Heb 5:14) But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

YES, this is very sound, as stated in the above Holy Scripture! LOOK or LISTEN = to so called Christians TV or Radio? MANY only are Blind leaders of the Blind!

A REAL Christian organization, would belong to ECFA [see their web site] as they hold that orgainzation to STRICT FINANCIAL GUIDELINES!

AND look at all the Homosexual CHURCHES? Their men and women [not Biblical for a woman to be a pastor ] PEVERT the Word of GOD, to continue their Homosexual Agenda!

Good call!

Thanks, RR

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nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Hi cristine,

I John 3:9-10, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this the children of God are manifest and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

When Christ came He came concerning the flesh (Romans 9:5) Why? because in the flesh there is no good thing. The flesh separated us from God in the beginning and something had to be done to restore fellowship with God. The flesh had to be dealt with. How?

Christ offered up himself for sin in the flesh. Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Hebrews 9:22, "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

When Christ died he died for sin in the flesh for every man once and for all and the old man died (sinner man, Adam).

Romans 6:6, "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Note that the old man is not being crucified, but that the old man is crucified.

Romans 7:24-25 tells us that we were delievered from this evil man and if we believe, we are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

I believe that I am righteous, holy and unblameable before God. Spiritually sins in the flesh were cut away (circumcised) by the operation of God and in this I stand by faith.

If one believes that he is still in sin, born of Adam, he does not believe that Christ came in the flesh; he is an unbeliever.

Colossians 2:10-13, "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him throught the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you (the Gentiles) being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses."

Many the true children of God stand up and be counted. Judy

cballard · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 716 Location: WV

Nana, I believe I am a true Christian, but I don't believe I will stand clothed in righteousness, holy, and unblamable before God. I think that is the way Jesus stands. The only way I can stand that way is at the foot of the cross, begging for His blood the wipe away my sins. I have no picture of myself coming before God strutting my righteousness. Even though Jesus's spirit gives us control over the flesh, we are still in the flesh, and we must still live in the flesh, and work to gain control over the flesh. And we must humbly acknowledge our sinfullness each day. Have you not committed any sin since you first believed? Are sins forgiven automatically or should you be asking forgiveness?

golfjack · Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: reply

Cballard, Isn't what Jesus did on the cross good enough for you? You seem to think that you must add to thefinished work of the cross. Believers have been forgiven of all sins (past tense), and that means past, present, and future sins.

May God bless, golfjack

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

cballard wrote:
The only way I can stand that way is at the foot of the cross, begging for His blood to wipe away my sins.

cballard you have no faith. Christ died for the sin of the world once and for all. He is never going to take another sin in the flesh or shed another drop of blood and so we must stand in his complete redemption.

When you are down on your hands and knees begging God's forgiveness, that is the opposite of faith.

The only sin that stands between God and man is unbelief. Christ took sin in the flesh 2000 years ago and and I stand righteous because of it.

One of your problems is that you have been listening to someone telling you that Christ only took your past sin, but beloved, sins are past.

Hebrews 12:12-13, "Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed."

Do you believe that Christ died for sin and yet you are still a sinner?

John 9:31, "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

I Peter 3:12, "For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers,...."

I Corinthians 15:34, "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."

Jesus did a marvelous and exceeding great work at the cross, but if you believe that you are still a 'poor ole sinner saved by grace', born of Adam, then you will condemn yourself at the judgment because you have not believed anythiing more than before he died.

Matthew 12:37, "For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."

I pray to God that you will consider this blessed righteousness that is imputed to us when we believe.

John 1:29, "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

Humility is believing God even though it does not appear to the natural eye that sin is gone. He has called those things that be not as though they are.

This is the reason for salvation:

"Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, so are we in this world." I John 4:17.

In Christ, Judy