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FFT
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 Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: Modern Homosexuality is not condemned in the bible. |
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Give this a read.
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unschoolmom
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you FFT. :)Great stuff!
The tale of Lot and the Sodomites has always had me scratching my head because, for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how people missed that it was a tale about sinning against hospitality. Especially if a person had even an inkling of the importance of hospitality, even today, amongst people in that region. It takes a lot of twisting to get an anti-gay message out of that.
I imagine the fact that homosexuality was involved was mostly a practicality in telling the story becasue goodness knows the angels would NOT have been female! |
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Carico
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:35 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, but homosexuality is called a sin, not only in Leviticus, but in Paul's writings also. But of course, man will look for any loopholes to justify any sin in which he wants to indulge. 
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Jesus says, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Are there any people without sin?
Bible says if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves.
If you don't agree with it, then don't practice it.
But before you condone another make sure you have no skeletons in your own closet.
Remember that how you judge another is how you yourself will be judged.
Are any perfect? No not one.
Peace
Lone
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trettep
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Jesus says, Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Are there any people without sin?
Bible says if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves.
If you don't agree with it, then don't practice it.
But before you condone another make sure you have no skeletons in your own closet.
Remember that how you judge another is how you yourself will be judged.
Are any perfect? No not one.
Peace
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There is nothing wrong with telling someone that homosexuality is wrong even as there is nothing wrong with telling someone that murder is wrong or that adultery is wrong. There is something wrong with not proclaiming God's Word and that is clear that Homosexuality is a sin.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: |
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People have a way of going a little overboard with their informing another of there "sin" however.
Beatings, shunning, exploitation, condemning, smearing, and murder have all resulted from "good intentions".
Doesn't the bible say that we are not to judge those outside the church?
They are not called to follow God. And that God alone is judge. And when he wants them to change HE will.
Are we to take it upon ourselves to be the judge and jury?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Is God not able to lead them how he will?
Do you know why there is homosexuality in the world?
It is there for those who live in the carnal world to judge carnal things.
Those who are of the spirit judge spiritual things.
What is the spiritual message behind homosexuality.
Not the flesh, but the spirit...
Peace
Lone
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trettep
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | People have a way of going a little overboard with their informing another of there "sin" however.
Beatings, shunning, exploitation, condemning, smearing, and murder have all resulted from "good intentions".
Doesn't the bible say that we are not to judge those outside the church?
They are not called to follow God. And that God alone is judge. And when he wants them to change HE will.
Are we to take it upon ourselves to be the judge and jury?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Is God not able to lead them how he will?
Do you know why there is homosexuality in the world?
It is there for those who live in the carnal world to judge carnal things.
Those who are of the spirit judge spiritual things.
What is the spiritual message behind homosexuality.
Not the flesh, but the spirit...
Peace
Lone |
Yes, I agree and everything should be done in love. When it says we are not to judge - it means that one that is a Christian is not to treat others any different than themselves for all have sinned and judgement is not yet made at the time one believe but when Salvation is provided which is at the appearing of the Lord. So if we be sinners and find the Lord then how can we who have not been deemed "saved" but only given the earnest say to another they are condemned. Since the reward of salvation only comes at the appearing of the Lord:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold thatperisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Therefore, always make judgement for those that are called are called to Judge - just don't execute that judgement until you have been deemed worthy at that appearing. Now is the time of learning and enduring to be righteous in judgement therefore, while one is learning how can the student be the judge of another.
Hope this helps.
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FFT
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| Carico wrote: | | Sorry, but homosexuality is called a sin, not only in Leviticus, but in Paul's writings also. But of course, man will look for any loopholes to justify any sin in which he wants to indulge. |
It's typically considered bad form to act like you understand what's being talked about when you haven't even read the thing.
| trettep wrote: | | There is nothing wrong with telling someone that homosexuality is wrong even as there is nothing wrong with telling someone that murder is wrong or that adultery is wrong. There is something wrong with not proclaiming God's Word and that is clear that Homosexuality is a sin. |
Please actually read the link I posted.
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trettep
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | Carico wrote: | | Sorry, but homosexuality is called a sin, not only in Leviticus, but in Paul's writings also. But of course, man will look for any loopholes to justify any sin in which he wants to indulge. |
It's typically considered bad form to act like you understand what's being talked about when you haven't even read the thing.
| trettep wrote: | | There is nothing wrong with telling someone that homosexuality is wrong even as there is nothing wrong with telling someone that murder is wrong or that adultery is wrong. There is something wrong with not proclaiming God's Word and that is clear that Homosexuality is a sin. |
Please actually read the link I posted. |
The guy in the link is trying to act as if there is such thing as a small sin. That is contrary to scripture - transgression of the law is sin and the wages of sin is death. Look at his comments regarding the following verses:
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Here is the posters comment regarding those verses:
"As can be seen, this is clearly and unequivocally talking about homosexuals. However, this passage does not condemn people for being homosexual. Instead, these people have been made homosexual against their normal nature by God (as well as a long litany of other things) as punishment for their false worship. As can be seen in verses 18-23, these are people who believe in God but choose to worship god-men and animals instead."
God gave them up - which means to cast them into prison but what is important is how He did so:
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
God let them cast themselves into prison by the choice of their lusts. And what was it considered? - UNCLEANNESS which is a sin that must be repented of.
So the verses indicate that homosexuality is a sin.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Until God decides to kill that carnal mind inside a man, he cannot follow the laws of God. He cannot understand spiritual truths.
That mind is at war with God and will not come until it is beaten down and swallowed up and thrown as far as the east to the west.
And only God is able to do this.
We are not to take upon ourselves the authority of God by judging those "outside" the church.
I'm not trying to be a smarty here..but.. do you practice homosexuality?
If not, and to you it is a sin to do so, then God himself has shown you this not another man.
It is not in words that gets peoples attention but by the actions of those who abide by God's spirit.
If you want to be a witness, then display it in your actions of your life not in the hurtful words and spewing out of those who consider themselves better or more self-righteous than another.
The only thing that is accomplished by attacking another, is causing them to put up more walls and more defenses. It doesn't work.
If at all possible live peacably with ALL men.
Hard thing to do when all you want to do is help someone out of a pit and find out that that pit is where they like to live. You drag them out, and they're not ready to move...where do you think that they will end up?
Back in the pit.
You can show them a better place to live. You can tell them about all the emneties that come with it. You can explain how their life will be better.
But they won't move until the owner of the property invites them himself.
Peace
Lone
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KGB
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi Guys,
I got email from one of your Admin but really don't remember ever registering with your disccusion forum. I checked the forum for curiosity and find it interesting that you guys are involved in similar kind of debates which we Muslims are discussing in forum. I do not have any intentions to create any kiind of mischief or to disrespect your religious beliefs but to give my own understanding on the topics. This I hope will bring us closer to understand and respect each other beliefs.
The topic is homosexuality which surely is a sin according to Torah, Gospel, Qur'an. I have not read all the posts here but there is nothing which can justify this act. |
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golfjack
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: reply |
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You are absolutely correct.
May God bless, golfjack |
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FFT
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| KGB wrote: | | The topic is homosexuality which surely is a sin according to Torah, Gospel, Qur'an. I have not read all the posts here but there is nothing which can justify this act. |
Oh hey, look! I get to repeat myself!
| FFT wrote: | | It's typically considered bad form to act like you understand what's being talked about when you haven't even read the thing. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: |
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FFT! I missed you!  Honest!!  
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Roger459
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: This Thread is = A LIE! Follows John 8:44 TO THE LETTER! |
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QUOTE:
Modern Homosexuality is not condemned in the bible.
RESPONSE:
(1Corinthians 6:9-10-11) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(1Cor 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
(1Cor 6:11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
IT IS EITHER SHEER IGNORANCE -or- AN OUT RIGHT = LIE!
The unrighteous that shall not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, are listed there in those verses! I looked at the Greek for the words, "nor abusers of themselves with mankind, " AND IT SAYS SODOMITES! That is Homosexuality!
The Homosexual Pastors, both men and women, WILL NEVER DISCUSS THESE VERSES in their proper context! Christ called them, BLIND LEADERS OF THE BLIND! WILLINGLY IGNORANT!
A casual reading of Romans One, will render the same facts!
THOSE THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN, = = AND HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD = = AND HAVE NEVER STUDIED THE WORD OF GOD = = ARE MOST OF THOSE = = MOST CRITICAL OF THE WORD OF GOD!
(2Timothy 3:15-16-17) And that from a child thou hast known The Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(2Tim 3:16) All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, = and is profitable = for doctrine, = for reproof, = for correction, = for instruction in righteousness:
(2Tim 3:17) That the man of God may be = = perfect, = =throughly furnished unto all good works.
Thanks, RR |
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