Especially for my dispensationalist brethren

FFT · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject:

Dispensationalism, and Preterism.
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Zathrus · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:20 pm Post subject:

Thanks FFT! I didn't read all the information on those links, but what I read looked accurate and thorough.
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FFT · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject:

They're not really "simple definitions," but they're clear and as far as I can tell, accurate.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject:

shepreach · Cobra Joined: 08 Nov 2003 Posts: 493 Location: ga

thanks fft. it's clear but it presents a problem for me--i don't fit anywhere. that either makes me an original thinker Wink

or a very confused individual.

i can see the dispensations but i don't agree with some of them. they seem to include things that Jesus said even he didn't know. if he didn't know how can we?

preterism on the other hand sounds good but there are still things to come. i definitely don't believe in full preterism and am not sure the partial version is totally acceptable.

i think i probably have more of a covenant view.
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FFT · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject:

Me, I'm a literalist. I figure Christ for a false prophet, or at least he's written as one.
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Zathrus · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:57 pm Post subject:

Jesus says he is The Alpha and Omega. The Beginning and the end.

Everybody's leaving out the IS part..

Look..

Yesterday:

Gen 30:32 I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and [of such] shall be my hire.

Tomorrow:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

then there is TODAY!!

O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.
Psa 95:7 For he [is] our God; and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, [and] as [in] the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

I believe that TODAY scripture IS being fulfilled IN US!!

God's Kingdom is God's Born Again Spirit Filled Sons of God!!
We die in the present (to self) we rise again in the present (in Christ).
And where He Is, there are we also!!

LOOK!!..

Luk 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed [be ye] poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Not was, not will be..IT IS!!

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

What is Jesus talking about..the kingdom of God IS within you?

What IS IN YOU?!!

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

The Spirit of God .....

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Jam 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

If we are the children of the kingdom of God, then we cannot be children of the world..

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Hbr 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Hbr 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hbr 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Today is the day of Salvation!!!

Hbr 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

AMEN!!
Lone
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golfjack · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject: reply

Thanks FFT. for the sites. I am most definately a Dispensationalist. Yes, you are right about the literall part, but not about God. However< I can see your confusion with all this comotion of who is right or wrong. I guess the beat goes on.

May God bless, golfjack

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:33 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:36 am Post subject:

Zathrus,

How do you understand revelations?
Something that is going to happen at a later time, something that has happened in the past, or something that is happening today?

And who do you believe it applies to?
Is it the whole world at one time, or every person in their own time?

I believe the book of revelations is for one to read regarding their own personal walk in life.

That the was, happens before we come to Christ, and the is, is the trials and tribulations we go through when we are babes in Christ, and the will be, is when we have grown up and have better understanding of what the true salvation of our soul is. When we have died to this carnal minded world, (the dragon) and we come away from our own ways of thinking
(false prophet) and we submit our own unworthy lives (beast) to have Christ rule in our lives.

Easton's Bible Dictionary
Revelation
an uncovering, a bringing to light of that which had been previously wholly hidden or only obscurely seen. God has been pleased in various ways and at different times ( Hbr 1:1) to make a supernatural revelation of himself and his purposes and plans, which, under the guidance of his Spirit, has been committed to writing. ( See WORD OF GOD T0003832.) The Scriptures are not merely the "record" of revelation; they are the revelation itself in a written form, in order to the accurate presevation and propagation of the truth.

Revelation and inspiration differ. Revelation is the supernatural communication of truth to the mind; inspiration ( q.v.) secures to the teacher or writer infallibility in communicating that truth to others. It renders its subject the spokesman or prophet of God in such a sense that everything he asserts to be true, whether fact or doctrine or moral principle, is true, infallibly true.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

The revelation of Jesus Christ...
His life...what is, what was, and what will be.
And if we take up our cross and follow him, and die to self, and walk in his footsteps, then these words are for that individual who follows.

That's how I see it Zathrus..
how do you see it?
Lone
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Like shepreach, if I must be labeled, I suppose one would consider me a covenant theologist.
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