Homosexuality is a sin!

nakhash · House Cat Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 171

It doesn't. It denotes lawful and unlawful. But a person is not evil and does not condemn themselves by doing unlawful things. If you commit crimes against other people, you will be punished. If you commit crimes against, God, you will be punished by the law, and if you commit crimes against yourself, you must attend a mikvah to clean yourself. But you can't do things to condemn yourself to hell because there is no hell.

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Exd 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

What is sin if it is not a rebellion against the Faith in God?

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Adam and Eve had fallen from grace, and Cain was the first child born outside of faith in God. Cain was born into a family that lacked Faith in God.

Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jesus was born in faithfulness to God and to bring Faith back into the world. Thereby taking away the faithlessness of the world.

Luk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Mary doubted not. She was full of Faith and Grace. And she brought forth Truth.

Sin=unfaithful, unbelief.

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

thinking...

Lone
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nakhash · House Cat Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 171

I speak of the Torah, not the Nevi'im. The Torah are the only books of the Old Testament which claim to be the word of God. The Nevi'im are interpretation.

Evee · Moderator Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 676

Okay, I get you now.
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cforell · Newbie Alert Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 3

I am realy just starting to study the bible. And it is a sin to be gay. God created sex for 1 man and 1 woman. It is wrong to cheat on your wife. It is wrong to have sex with you neighbors wife. and ext You no what is wright or wrong.

Please read here Leviticus 18 read the whole thin also there are seveal other place where it talk about this please look them up.

Read the fowlowing

It's wrong to have sex with any close realitive Leviticus 18:6-18
It's wrong to have sex with animals Leviticus 18:23
It's wrong to have homeosexual sex Leviticus.
Also for Homeosexual sex and how it is wrong please read Romans 1:26-27
So homosexual is a alternitve alrigh but it is a Sinful one and if you do it please pray to God on he will help you for it becuse he Loves you and me and everyone in the world.

Also someone was discreditng that it is a sin to have an abortion you need to read the bible (and no i do not know the most about the bible but i am trying my best and God is opening my eyes to his great life he has to offer.) It is a sin to murder someone so read theese and tell me it is not a Sin to have an abortion

Psalm 82:2-3 Abortion is not an answer
In Psalm 139 you read that even in a mothers womb God id shaping you. As was david in this story. God is shaping you life from the moment you are consived so this would mean you are killing one of God'd children and he loves them just as much as you or me. And God is PRo-life.!
So adoption is an option but abortion is not.

golfjack · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: reply

Cforell, AMEN, BROTHER IN CHRIST.

May God bless, golfjack

FFT · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:50 am Post subject:

ekspiulo · Ferret Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 123

Many rational and accurate objections to what has been said can and have been made, but more importantly,

cforell and golfjack, Leviticus is is clearly and plainly ridiculous to anyone that reads it. It is archaic and is no longer fit to tell anyone what to do.
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FFT · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:13 pm Post subject:

cforell · Newbie Alert Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 3

Well in my heart i believe that is it wrong to have sex with the same sex and also a Sin to Kill and abortion is killing something alive. I truly beleive that God does not want those things. And usually the ones who are condimit folowing what the bible says in its enitrity just aren't fully open to God. Ask him to tell you what he believe and Ask for his loving words he will give them to you.

FFT · Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:51 pm Post subject:

ekspiulo · Ferret Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 123

cforell, If you admit that leviticus no longer serves a purpose in christianity, then where are you getting claims like "god does not want homosexuality?"
Also, god is omnipotent, if there's homosexuality it is because he causes babies to be born homosexual. If he didn't want it, it wouldn't happen.

FFT · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:13 am Post subject:

In his defense, there's more than just the passage in Leviticus.

In the whole Bible, there are only seven brief passages that deal with homosexual behavior. The first is the story of Sodom and Gomorra, which I preached on last fall, which is actually irrelevant to the issue. The attempted gang rape in Sodom has nothing to say about whether or not genuine love expressed between consenting adults of the same gender is legitimate.

Neither does the passage in Deuteronomy 23, which refers to Canaanite fertility rites that have infiltrated Jewish worship. Passages in I Corinthians and I Timothy refer to male prostitution. Two often-quoted passages prohibiting male homosexual behavior are found in the book of Leviticus. Leviticus also stipulates that any man who touches a woman during her menstrual period is to be stoned to death, that adulterers are to be executed, that interracial marriage is sinful, that two types of cloth are not to be worn together, and certain foods must never be eaten.

I know of no Christians, no matter how fundamentalist, who believe that Christians are bound to obey all of the Levitical laws. Instead we are driven to ask deeper questions about how to rightly interpret Scripture, how to separate the Word of God from cultural norms and prejudices -- that is, how to separate the Message from the envelope in which it comes.

The final Biblical text that deals with homosexual behavior is found in Paul's letter to the Romans, in which he unequivocally condemns homosexual behavior. The background for his understanding was the common Roman practice of older males 'keeping' young boys for sexual exploitation, which he was right to condemn.

But even if this were not the case, even if Paul knew about and condemned all forms of homosexual behavior, even the most loving, what then? Paul also told women not to teach, not to cut their hair, not to speak in church. Do we follow his teaching? He told slaves to obey their masters not once, but five times -- are we prepared to say today, as Southern slave owners argued 150 years ago, that slavery is God's will?

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lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:34 am Post subject:

2Cr 11:20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour [you], if a man take [of you], if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
Phl 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Hbr 11:36 And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

While the meaning of homosexuality is understood by many as a sexual act between two men, there is a deeper and more spiritual aspect as well.

as FFT quoted from a site: