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PetriFB Big Hamster
Joined: 29 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: Homosexuality is a sin! |
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Do you struggle with homosexuality? Have you been seeking ways to change from being a homosexual to a heterosexual, or have you resigned yourself to it? Perhaps you have thought of switching but it seems impossible for you?
In the following study we are going to concern ourselves with some of the most common questions, which appear in this area. At first we will look into the background of homosexuality and finally, what the Bible says about it. Perhaps you have your own opinions concerning this issue, in any case it would be beneficial for you to read the whole text:
http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Releasing_from_homosexuality |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Again with you. You were wrong when you were claiming that abortion was a crime (I noticed you've not responded to that juicy bit of awesomeness) because you did not understand the scriptures you were using to justify your stance.
Here, again, you are wrong, because you do not understand the scriptures you are using to justify your stance. |
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PetriFB Big Hamster
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | Again with you. You were wrong when you were claiming that abortion was a crime (I noticed you've not responded to that juicy bit of awesomeness) because you did not understand the scriptures you were using to justify your stance.
Here, again, you are wrong, because you do not understand the scriptures you are using to justify your stance. |
1 Cor 6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
In the text appear words abusers of themselves with mankind, which is in Greek [arsenokoites] = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual.
In this Bible place is spoken among other things also about that, how those males who lies with a male as with a female not shall inherit the kingdom of God, but then Paul adds to this, "and such were, some of you". In other words this indicates also us, that some of these people were before homosexual, but weren’t anymore. So clearly the Bible teaches that people must repent from homosexuality.
http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/homosexual |
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PetriFB Big Hamster
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | Again with you. You were wrong when you were claiming that abortion was a crime (I noticed you've not responded to that juicy bit of awesomeness) because you did not understand the scriptures you were using to justify your stance.
Here, again, you are wrong, because you do not understand the scriptures you are using to justify your stance. |
Abortion is a sin and crime against God! |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to let Nak cover your points, as he has more background to speak from, however:
| PetriFB wrote: | | Abortion is a sin and crime against God! | You've been proven wrong over and over and over, yet you keep repeating this. Why? |
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nakhash House Cat
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| PetriFB wrote: | 1 Cor 6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
In the text appear words abusers of themselves with mankind, which is in Greek [arsenokoites] = one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual. |
This may be referring to promiscuity in general. Many of the Greeks and Romans had a wife for reproductive purposes and then proceeded to sleep with men and eunuchs for sexual gratification. Jews from that time viewed marriage as a sacred institution which should include both sex for the sake of reproduction as well as sex for gratification. Denying a wife sexual gratification breaks commandments, and thus, if you were married but sought out boys, eunuchs, and slaves for sexual gratification and did not satisfy your wife, you were breaking the covenant of your marriage. While homosexuality is spoken against in the Torah, laws against it are less strict than in the New Testament (especially Paul). Additionally, a lot of scholars suggest that these laws may have been directed towards the ritual religious sexuality involved in many religions at the time. The Torah, while it does regulate sexuality, establishes sex as a ritual that establishes a particular covenant between two people, which contrasts greatly with ritual sexuality in many ancient religions, in which sex established a covenant between man and a specific diety (normally a fertility goddess). Thus, the role of love and mutual respect in the sexual experience is established. Thus, it would seem that, although homosexuality is forbidden in the bible, the spirit of the text would suggest that homosexuality in the context of a loving relationship (as opposed to the promiscuous fornication of Sodom, Gomorrah, Rome, Greece, etc) would be acceptable to God.
| Quote: | | but then Paul adds to this, "and such were, some of you". In other words this indicates also us, that some of these people were before homosexual, but weren’t anymore. So clearly the Bible teaches that people must repent from homosexuality. |
Paul is a terrible source to cite. His writings clash regularly with the writings of the other apostles and he is particularly venomous towards anyone who did not expressly follow him. If you believe Paul, then being born a woman is about as damnedable as being a homosexual. |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| PetriFB: before you get so frothed up about instituting the word of the bible in today's society, please recall that this is a book which commands that those who curse one of their parents are to be put to death, and that if you beat a slave to within an inch of his life, but he doesn't die until a day later, you get off scot-free. |
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PetriFB Big Hamster
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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Romans 1:17-28: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Homosexuality and lesbian is against order and creation of God and sin before God. Message of the Bible to homosexuality and lesbian is very clear, that they are sins, and those who practise them, they can't inherit the kingdom of God. |
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nakhash House Cat
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| PetriFB wrote: | | Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator |
Christians. |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| nakhash wrote: | | PetriFB wrote: | | Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator |
Christians. | Game, set, and match. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| nakhash wrote: | | PetriFB wrote: | | Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator |
Christians. |
Are you trying to say that all christians serve the flesh and not the spirit?? |
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unschoolmom Kitten
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| nakhash wrote: | | PetriFB wrote: | | Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator |
Christians. |
I think he's a special case. |
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nakhash House Cat
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| unschoolmom wrote: | | nakhash wrote: | | PetriFB wrote: | | Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator |
Christians. |
I think he's a special case. |
The Bible doesn't.
Sinner. |
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PetriFB Big Hamster
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Romans 1:17-28: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
This place speaks about ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; they are unbelievers. |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Do you follow the letter of the law, PetriFB? The 613 distinct commandments in the Old Testament? Do you even know what they are? |
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