Over 400 Scientists Convinced...

admin · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject:

FFT, I am always amazed how you keep your head cool with all the red herring, straw men, pleading ignorance and ad hominem posts thrown your way.

admin · Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject:

Enlightenment philosophers perceived the Church's doctrines as superstitious and hindering the progress of civilization. Many thinkers and academics criticized it for opposing scientific advancement, the trial of Galileo Galilei being a famous, though still hotly-debated, example. Pope John Paul II publicly apologized for the Church's actions in the trial on October 31, 1992.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church
"Historical Criticism"

FFT · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:

admin · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:34 am Post subject:

This is an excerpt dealing with the Catholic church using scripture to refute Galileo. The church maintained that this scripture proved the planets revolved around the earth.
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Galileo was a practicing Catholic, yet his writings on Copernican heliocentrism disturbed some in the Roman Catholic Church who believed in a geocentric model of the solar system. They argued that heliocentrism was in direct contradiction of the Bible (Joshua (10:12)): "Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, 'Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon'." This Bible passage could be literally interpreted as the Sun and the Moon were both objects peripheral-to or a subset-of Earth, as opposed to a more symbolic, metaphysical interpretation (e.g., their representing a highly illuminated state of consciousness (the Sun founded upon Gibeon) and a phase of lower reflected intellect (the Moon in the valley of Ajalon) or thought). At that time the most literal Biblical interpretation was prevalent with the church hierarchy, especially among the Dominican Order, facilitators of the Inquisition; it was also in line with the highly revered ancient writings of Aristotle and Plato.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
"Church Controversy"

admin · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:44 am Post subject:

Info on special pleading::

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1015

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But there certainly is a history of theocratic bigotry against Science. We see it even yet today when some religious types attack the Science of Evolution with false claims and misrepresentations.

admin · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:

Ryck,
The post is in reference to the enlightenment philosophers which are:
John Locke
Denis Diderot
Voltaire
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Heinrich Agrippa
George Berkeley
Rene Descartes
Thomas Hobbes
Blaise Pascal
Baruch Spinoza

Did you read the link? There is a link within the article about the age of enlightenment and philosophers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Enlightenment