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SDMD
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| t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | 'Evolution put into practice' ?????????????????
Christianity has been put into practice since before Christ, um, yet you dispute it's validity. |
Please explain where there were Christians before Christ? That really seems like a weird claim, not to mention an impossibility?
| Quote: | | Nk, sooooooooo, if we have to accept evolution then you have to accept Christ. |
And those of us who are Christians and accept the Scientific Evidence for the Scientific Theory of Evolution have no problem with this. |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Evolution does not exist. There, you've read it again fffffffffffffffffttt. |
Yeah, another "because I say so" postulation.
Let me lead your attention to a "sticky" tread in Noah's Lounge regarding "rules":
Note to Christians and Fundamentalists: Our debate forums are for all views, so please back up your statements in the specific debate forums. |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | gbunty wrote: | | Well, no. Since humans are apes, apes do give birth to humans. |
Uhh...
I am not sure if I should utter a laugh, or cry a tear of shame for your statement. |
What part of that statement gives you trouble? Certainly, at a level, the biological classification of H. sapienes sapiens is "apes." next level up is primates, then mammals etc. I am sure you know enough about cladistics to understand what I mean here, right? |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | Ooohh... now I get it! Silly me. Anything but the truth will suffice...
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. |
That is a very good description of creationists, yes.
| Quote: | | Romans 1:21-23 For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. |
yes, they sought tangible, physical evidence of God; for them the Faith was not sufficient. That ALSO is a good description of creationists who are so desperate to 'prove" God that they will make any claim as long as it lends scientific credence to their false witnessing.
| Quote: | 2 Peter 2:12 But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
Resource I looked at: God's Word |
Yes, good description of creationists. Glad you agree. |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Great post! Science's base "If it sounds good then it must be right!" |
Not at all. Why are you so outright misrepresenting science? Are you only able to make an argument by bearing false witness and spewing ad hominems? Yuor dishonest method is highly offensive.
| Quote: | | A lot of phd's being handed out to those who agree with other men on how the universe came about. |
Ahem, it seems like you have only a limited knowledge of the Scdientific Method. Do you think you can make qualified judgements or even claims about science when you show such utter ignorance of even the very foundation of science?
Again, that is highly offensive. |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Certainly I can judge the correctness of one's conclusion regardless of their reasoning. Reasoning does not guarantee correctness of conclusion. |
Well, that is a fascinating claim. Are you saying that because you have some allmighty knowledge of all right or wrong, if somebody disagree, they are by default wrong? At least, that is what your argument sounds like here.
Could you please explain how that is in any way factual, how in any way you are saying anything other than "because I say so"? |
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Mender
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I very much agree you SDMD, but could you try to keep all your reply in one post? 
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SDMD
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I was replying to different posts. Sorry, I shall try to combine them next time. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| SDMD wrote: | | Well, that is a fascinating claim. Are you saying that because you have some allmighty knowledge of all right or wrong, if somebody disagree, they are by default wrong? At least, that is what your argument sounds like here. |
I disagree. I do believe you are attempting to build strawmen. I said nothing about someone agreeing or disagreeing with me did I? Nor did I say anything about knowledge of all right or wrong. I simply stated the fact that I am able to discern the correctness of one's conclusion irrespective of their reasoning because reasoning does not guarantee correctness of conclusion.
Now, I can understand that you may have a need to make this something that it is not, but I implore you to cease making assumptions about me and attempting to build argumentation based on those assumptions, for this is not the first time you have done so.
I will ask you this: Are you able or not able to discern correctness of some conclusions regardless of one's reasoning?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| SDMD wrote: | | t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Great post! Science's base "If it sounds good then it must be right!" |
Not at all. Why are you so outright misrepresenting science? Are you only able to make an argument by bearing false witness and spewing ad hominems? Yuor dishonest method is highly offensive.
| Quote: | | A lot of phd's being handed out to those who agree with other men on how the universe came about. |
Ahem, it seems like you have only a limited knowledge of the Scdientific Method. Do you think you can make qualified judgements or even claims about science when you show such utter ignorance of even the very foundation of science?
Again, that is highly offensive. |
I find misspellings offensive when one is degrading my intelligence on a matter. Find a dictionary, or use a spellcheck, as it works wonders. THEN come to me and tell me about my ignorance.
As far as 'limited knowledge', I am quite positive that even those that claim science as their 'god' has a limited knowledge of what they are working with. For if one has all the knowledge what would be the point of debating with anyone for that person should know all anyway.
And I find it also highly offensive to try to put me in a category that doesn't prove valuable.
There, nanner nanner 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| SDMD wrote: | | t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Evolution does not exist. There, you've read it again fffffffffffffffffttt. |
Yeah, another "because I say so" postulation.
Let me lead your attention to a "sticky" tread in Noah's Lounge regarding "rules":
Note to Christians and Fundamentalists: Our debate forums are for all views, so please back up your statements in the specific debate forums. |
Does this last statement have anything to do with the price of tea in China?
How much more backup do I need than evolution does not exist? I stated it, the backup is there, I said it, and I agree with it!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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This is the best thread ever.
Would be more fun if we could drop the Lutheran pastor gnostic debate and the "there I said it" stuff.
I only saw one post really responding to FFT's original question, and sounds like it hasn't gone throught the process of peer review yet. I also couldn't find the original article, and yes, even if it was printed it needs a bit of time to go through peer criticism and review.
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FFT
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Actually, eks' post was an intentional red herring. He made it up wholesale. The journal's real, the rest is fake. Unfortunately, it didn't really serve its original purpose, which was to bait creationists into agreeing with it.
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SDMD
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | SDMD wrote: | | t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Great post! Science's base "If it sounds good then it must be right!" |
Not at all. Why are you so outright misrepresenting science? Are you only able to make an argument by bearing false witness and spewing ad hominems? Your dishonest method is highly offensive.
| Quote: | | A lot of phd's being handed out to those who agree with other men on how the universe came about. |
Ahem, it seems like you have only a limited knowledge of the Scientific Method. Do you think you can make qualified judgments or even claims about science when you show such utter ignorance of even the very foundation of science?
Again, that is highly offensive. |
I find misspellings offensive when one is degrading my intelligence on a matter. Find a dictionary, or use a spellcheck, as it works wonders. THEN come to me and tell me about my ignorance. |
Bwahahahaha. That got to be the lamest come-back I have ever seen. The Buck definitely doesn't stop at you, does it!
| Quote: | | As far as 'limited knowledge', I am quite positive that even those.. |
Huh? Is this an attempt at diverting away from your post carrying outright falsehoods showing that you have no knowledge of the science you were attacking or even of the Scientific Method, the basic component of science?
Your attempt at avoiding acknowledging this shows a lack of willingness to take responsibility for your own words and your own posts. That is disturbing for the prospect of a serious and honest discussion here.
| Quote: | | .. that claim science as their 'god' has a limited knowledge of what they are working with. |
Well, I have yet to ever see anybody claiming science is their god, so you seem to be attacking what doesn't exist. As a diversion from the evidence of your own lack of knowledge, this is pathetic.
| Quote: | | For if one has all the knowledge what would be the point of debating with anyone for that person should know all anyway. |
And I am still trying to determine who have claimed to have all knowledge. So your claim still doesn't make sense and still looks like a pathetic attempt at diverting away from the challenge to whether you even know the Scientific Method or not. But obviously, you have no intention of dealing with that, as your diversionary tactic showed.
You must be one of those who love to spew claims but refuse to deal with challenges to the claims.
| Quote: | | And I find it also highly offensive to try to put me in a category that doesn't prove valuable. |
Huh? What does this mean? You don't like being placed in a group that is not valuable? You are not making sense here.
| Quote: | | There, nanner nanner |
Ah, why didn't you say that you were still in grade school. Then it makes more sense that you just don't know and understand science. |
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SDMD
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | SDMD wrote: | | t-shirtsnjeans wrote: | | Evolution does not exist. There, you've read it again fffffffffffffffffttt. |
Yeah, another "because I say so" postulation.
Let me lead your attention to a "sticky" tread in Noah's Lounge regarding "rules":
Note to Christians and Fundamentalists: Our debate forums are for all views, so please back up your statements in the specific debate forums. |
Does this last statement have anything to do with the price of tea in China?
How much more backup do I need than evolution does not exist? I stated it, the backup is there, I said it, and I agree with it! |
There was no backup. There were misrepresentations and then "disagreement" wirth the misrepresentations, followed by a bunch of "just because I say so" postulations. I am still waiting for you to back up anything |
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