Why?

stutztx · Show Poodle Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 250

Why is there a forum just for debating the doctrines of the Jehovas Witness? Why not for Methodists or Baptists or Catholics too?
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FFT · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:23 am Post subject:

Because the JWs are significantly different from other denominations.
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TeeJoe · Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Why?

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stutztx · Show Poodle Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 250

I admittedly am not a JW, and I do not agree with many of their views, but they do follow many scripture passages that others ignore. Yes, many of their interpretations are a bit different, but they at least try where others prefer to close their eyes. For example, 1 peter 3:18-20. Anyone have an interpretaion on that one? If so Ive never heard it except from the JW's. You dont have to tell me about the missing verses and denying of Jesus' divinity, I am not one of them, but we must give credit where it is due, they try where others dont.

All denominations have their seperate views of the bible, otherwise they would all be the same denomination. They obviously cannot be all right at the same time, that is contrary to the laws of nature. A dog cant be a dog and a giraffe at the same time.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:51 am Post subject:

Hey Rev I got a question..

1Pe 3:20 [The souls of those] who long before in the days of Noah had been disobedient, when God's patience waited during the building of the ark in which a few [people], actually eight in number, were saved through water. [Gen. 6-8.]

Could we be the disobedient souls and now a way has been made for us to return?

Lone
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

We could.

We could also view the account of the flood as a TYPE for Christ's life, death, and resurrection. In essence, the total destruction of what was (the covenent of the Law) and a new begining and opportunity to live anew (the new covenent of Grace through faith in Christ).
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stutztx · Show Poodle Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 250

Ok,
1Pe 3:18 For Christ [the Messiah Himself] died for sins once for all, the Righteous for the unrighteous (the Just for the unjust, the Innocent for the guilty), that He might bring us to God. In His human body He was put to death, but He was made alive in the spirit, 1Pe 3:19 In which He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
1Pe 3:20 [The souls of those] who long before in the days of Noah had been disobedient, when God's patience waited during the building of the ark in which a few [people], actually eight in number, were saved through water.

This clearly says that Jesus, after his death, went and preached to the spirits (in prison) of those who lived in the days of Noah. There is no other way of interpreting it. It cant be symbolic of the flood and his sacrifice because it says he preached to them after his death.

There is obviously some doctrine being taught here that is not understood by the masses. The JWs have an interpretation, which I do not agree with. I have my own, but I will save it for another day.
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stutztx · Show Poodle Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 250

My point in doing this is only that I think sometimes we trash the JWs for things that we ourselves are guilty of. Like misinterpretions.
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MoJo · Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:22 am Post subject:

I'll add my voice to this because I think what stutztx says is true and I have never seen any good reason to single them out. However, having said that, they make themselves a target, so it shouldn't be surprising when people shoot at it. Their vanity is pride in making no bones about thinking they alone are the chosen people. Other denominations also think this, but don't push it door to door. Regardless, many are still our brothers and sisters and should be treated as such.

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TBax · King Kong Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 2072

Mojo, and stutztx

Greetings.I appreciate your reasonable spirit.

Mojo,You mention that we make ourselve a target because we "push it door to door".If you realize you have the truth you will want your neighbors to know it too.Many people I met at the door have said they realize they should be doing this same work of preaching the good news to their neighbors.Plus it is a command from Jesus who said Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.

If going door to door makes us a target,so be it.I don't take offence.But if you believe you have the truth shouldn't you be doing it too?

Said in peace.
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