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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6287 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: Vatican Cardinal says we should listen to science |
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| Quote: | | A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason. |
| Quote: | | "The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said. |
| Quote: | Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design." Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms. Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."
"A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof." |
| Quote: | | Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better." |
So, as we can see, the Catholics are making progress in rationality. They understand that science has answers, they simply need to be tempered by morality, or we end up with the atomic bomb.
Thoughts? _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6364 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I believe science is one of the keys to understanding creation/evolution and spirituality. I think it all goes hand in hand.
I believe that in studying science and technology and well everything, we need to remember who it was that made it possible to study all these things.
To a Christian the study of physical science should come second to spiritual understanding, and yet, without physical science it is difficult to understand the spiritual. that they too go hand in hand.
Life is a many layered existance. And in my opinion the one that created the mind is the same one that gives us knowledge to fill it up with. But we should choose carefully what we fill it up with.
If we weren't supposed to learn about creation and evolution Jesus never would have told us to consider the mustard seed.
We are told to seek, knock, and ask, and I believe that science is a means of doing this.
thats my thought FFT...
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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FFT Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 26 Mar 2005 Posts: 6287 Location: Memphis
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | If we weren't supposed to learn about creation and evolution Jesus never would have told us to consider the mustard seed. | Except for that whole bit about it not, really, being the smallest seed. _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
Theology is philosophy/ethics for people who already know what conclusion they want to come to. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe

Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 6364 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus used a lot of parables, similarities to convey ideas and meanings. The meaning behind the mustard seed isn't the size of the seed itself but how it grows into something much bigger than it's original size.
Faith is like a mustard seed. It is small in it's original size, but when it is allowed to grow it becomes a very large plant able to sustain more than what it could before it grew.
Like an apple seed will grow an apple tree and feed more than just that one original seed.
Faith multiplies and grows and doubles and triples in size. And the more faith that is planted the more you will reap.
If it had been today, he might have said something like:
Take this man Ford who had an idea of an automobile. It started out as an idea but look at the industry it has grown into today.
Mustard seeds, Faith, apple seeds, Ideas, and automobiles. It's not the size that matters it's how it is invested that counts.
Like interest on a savings account. Depends on which bank you invest in. Some have better returns than others.
In my opinion those things of a spiritual nature: Love, Joy, Goodness, Kindness and the like, give a better return than those of a physical nature such as money, fame, power, and such like. Not that physical aspects are all bad, they can do good too. But the spiritual payback is more rewarding and lasts a lot longer.
I believe there is a law of what goes around, comes around. I've personally had this happen to me more times than I can number. I prefer the positive returns to the negative ones. The positive leave a sweat taste in your mouth and those negatives one can bite and sting. You reap what you sow. Spiritually and physically.
Be Happy
Lone _________________ Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. |
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James1-26 Bear Cub

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 603 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | lone-traveler wrote: | | If we weren't supposed to learn about creation and evolution Jesus never would have told us to consider the mustard seed. | Except for that whole bit about it not, really, being the smallest seed. |
Yeah, Jesus forgot to mention the sperm cell. I guess the Liberals didn't have control of sexual education at the time. _________________ "Life is tough. Life is tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
"Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me:..." --the LORD |
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Source _________________ When Science was in its crib, Religion tried to strangle it. When Science was in its infancy, Religion tried to abuse it. Now that Science is grown up, Religion wants to be in its good graces.
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