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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject: Academic Freedom and Political Correctness at Christian Univ |
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In response to the concept at some of these faculty and staff may be required to sign a statement that they believe the Bible is literally true and some may be perjuring themselves by doing so, one wag had this response: " guess if someone actually believes that the bible is literally true, and asked you to affirm the same; it would be somewhat ironic that the requirement would take place in a university setting with modern office equipment, mixed sex classrooms, women who come out in public while menstruating, etc… Somehow I see literal believers of the bible more akin to the Taliban or the Amish. If those asking of you to believe literally can delude themselves that they are following the “literal” interpretation of the bible, you shouldn’t place too much internal ethical debate on going along with the 'game'. "
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golfjack Lion King
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: reply |
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That is a ridiculous statement. Are you trying to start an argument?
May God bless, golfjack |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see. What is this thread under ...
"Bible Doctrine."
And what is that under ...
"Public Debate Forums."
Oops.
Anyway, yeah, it's likely she's trying to start a debate. A literal reading of the bible gives outdated legislation. |
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RevJP Moderator
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| I suppose one would have to provide semantic definitions for 'literal' as used for the purposes of this discussion and for the alleged statement referred to in the opening of this thread. |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Following the bible to the letter would lead you to organize stoning parties. No civilized society is going to allow that to happen.
Therefore, outdated legislation. Without even covering the reasons for the stonings. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I suppose one would have to provide semantic definitions for 'literal' as used for the purposes of this discussion and for the alleged statement referred to in the opening of this thread. |
Sorry. This is kind of like a Baylor joke, except there the big joke is the administration and regents.
They, and other colleges and universities tied to conservative denominations, have begun policies of asking faculty and staff to sign statements upon being hired that they believe the Bible is literally true. Dr. John Killinger said he felt people who perjure themselves in such a manner to maintain their livelihood are committing what is essentially an ethical act.
As to whether or not the statements define it further (I imagine many do) I have no idea.
Someone who says, for instance, homosexuality is wrong per the oft-cited texts of terror but sees no problem with playing football which is prohibited by Leviticus 11, is certainly perjuring themselves no less than someone who has no problem with either. |
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RevJP Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| I was thinking more along the lines of accepting obvious observational and metaphorical language as literally true. For instance does one accept that 'sunrise' actually means the sun rises and that the bible professes such or does one understand the use of observational language in such an instance and accept that the bible is referring to morning... |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | I was thinking more along the lines of accepting obvious observational and metaphorical language as literally true. For instance does one accept that 'sunrise' actually means the sun rises and that the bible professes such or does one understand the use of observational language in such an instance and accept that the bible is referring to morning... |
Interesting. And there's the whole Is Genesis 1-2 referring to actual events just as written or it is poetry?
I would suppose the Unis that are not completely stupid have some elaboration to the statement that has been reviewed by theologians and so forth. |
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RevJP Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure they would. I simply asked for more information in order to give your post and questions the proper consideration. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell Cobra
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:58 am Post subject: |
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JP what do you think of the "principle" of Christian colleges and Universities doing this?
In my view it's inappropriate political correctness and harms the unis doing it because it makes all their academinc writing and research suspect.
As far as denominations which claim to take the bible literally, it is hypocritical since they really don't except selectively.
If that is the alleged doctrine though it makes a kind of sense to require it in theology schools and so forth, but, for teachers of computer science, English, etc., it is merely bullying. And then you have the matter of biology teachers. Creationism is not an academic position but a dogma. |
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