Are we living in the end Times?

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

good am,
well i made it. This site is terribly slow at even trying to get on then in between it crawls., oh well.
here's to you, lift up your glasses and let's toast for the wine is good.!
cheers mate. and good day to you all form just outside mOntreal , Canada.
i 've noted many of the posts above dancing around and perhaps some even flying into the sky with raptured theories. Let's get our feet on ground,a sn was the rest of the Bible prophets, including Jesus. If you take God's word literally , then you can never really hear God. Here's why!
god's language is eternal , the same yesterday as today and will be into the future, therefore when you read the OT yo will note that some of the cities mentioned have gone or disappeared,and though some f the prophets refer to these places and cities in the future, should you take it literally you would for all intense and purposes cause God to be writing fiction. Sowhen you see certaing cities, you must consider the character of them, as well as the peoples involved. now in orde to make any good sense of the prophecies, you have to correlate the times and the personalities. For instance when Jeremiah or Ezekiel speak of brute beast and give certain types of animals for personalities, yo muct vcary frward the same lion, or crocldile or donkey or lamb type personalities and apply them to day. That is the only way to keep some sequaious reasoning to the order of the Word. A lion is a lion yesterday and toeday and tomorrow, and it's characteristics can be applied to people at any time. Therefore the metaphors, symbolisms, figures of speech have to corroblrted and correlated effectively to bring some logic and substance to the Text.
now enter Revelation and certain beasts, angels and so on are present but these are to applied to the human forms in most cases. not some pie in the sky angel cloud, thing.

Secondly, consider the one person that joman, did not give credit to in the last post . reference Rev 19:12 ".....and he had a name "written" that no one knew but he himself."
twoessential points here. well three, first off the reference is messiah, secondly it was "written" , where, obviously inscribed into the Bible, and thirdly ,, noone knew, which implies could determine nor see EXCEPT he himself. ________________ now there is a forth to this but requires other text, that ' he first' could see, then reveal then be confirmed then open the seals which has certain implications o f a sequence to it and requires, revealtion, faith and scriptural support, and conviction for there to bring all necessary ingrediants forth.
is it on this forum that i said in another post, that there exist many numbers in Revelations all referring to certain individuals and ther is one number " not left out, but not revealled or seenivisually, but is written to identify the messiah.

So with that , i'll post and go see on other threads, if i have made these assertions before, if so, well there they are again

peace and
good day to ya"ll

David2

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:19 am Post subject:

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joman · Tiger Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 816

joman · Tiger Joined: 07 Jun 2004 Posts: 816

I do think the foundations are being set for the final tribulation. (personal belief is christians and nonchristians alike must go through the seven years) However, I do not think this will occur for a long time. We may very well be a space faring race before the end times. Several things do still need to happen. one of the most important is the Great Apostate. While people may be less avid about faith as a whole, the christian church is still growing. So long as the number of christians continues to grow, then that key aspect has not come to pass.

That will be the real sign. When very large numbers of people flock AWAY from christ and the overall christian population worldwide decreases dramaticly...

Your opinion is disturbing to me Heisenburg because, there are many signs. And, the falling away isn’t the greatest.

The apostasy will not be recognizable by monitoring church attendance. Church attendance isn’t the measure of one’s faith. And, the apostasy is the “falling away from the faith once delivered unto the saints”. Many on this Bible dicussion board have already done so.

I was given a vision from the Lord in 1982 while praying.

I saw a woman dressed in a robe, sitting in a chair with the Bible in her hand.
She suddenly arose from the chair to stand on her feet.
She began to shake herself violently while her feet remained planted.
What I had thought was part of her clothing began to fall away from off of her body.
I looked closer and saw that the seeming dust that she shook off of herself was in reality many people.
As soon as she was free of them she marched across the breadth of the whole earth with the gospel.
And, I was given the understanding that, she was the church. That the many who fell away were the ones who, although associated with her, weren’t of her. This is the apostasy. But, furthermore I have been taught that to the physical eye the false churches will grow more and more as the darkness of the end times grows and people seek comfort in the hope of escape from tribulation. For, woe unto the inhabitants of the earth for the Devil has come down unto us and is full of wrath because he knows his time is short. The great tribulation isn’t a time of wrath from God but, a time during which, in the darkness of this satanic world the true Christian will shine. And the gospel will be published in all the world. And a great harvest will come to pass because of the proof of faith that shall be displayed by all true Christians in the face of great tribulation. Many will be beheaded for Jesus sake and thus prove that…they were not their own heads anyway. There are many particulars to consider for God has told us much. But, Satan has removed the Bible from most churches…and created many opinions…and inserted many false notions..andteachings. All false prophetic teaching’s are designed to produce an unprpared Christian who should’ve known better.

Joman.

Ps. I know this post of mine is not staight up Bible quoting. The study of the end times is dense with information and pit falls. It seem to me that it is the most attacked aspect of the Bible today. I find it difficult to explain without a much greater depth of discussion that is more focused step by step. I also think that we need the power of God to display the one's who possess the correct understanding.

heisenburg · Ferret Joined: 17 Aug 2005 Posts: 109

Jo -
I stand corrected with respect to my view of the Apostate...

While church attendence will go down with it, you are 100% correct in saysing that is not the accurate messure...

In Christ
J
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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

gOOD AM
it's not the church attendence that has anything to do with it . They have all fallen away anyway, teaching for false doctrines, a faith based theology that has inspired billions to a church of sinners.
Consider what was on Jesus's lips daily, Jeremiah 7 : 1 -11, daily these words were spoken .
you have but an hour or so of his 3 years of speaking yet the gospels repetition would make it sound that's all he said.
Do you not think that he mentioned scripture and referenced. prophits from time to time.
But the point , is the seven year period, some have said he comes in the middle others at the beginning, whichever the "big easy" is standing tall before and active before he comes and addresses and confirms who he is at the 'white throne jugdement'.
Therefore for the white throne judgement to happen there also must first be a kind of confirmation of who this Jesus is. correct!

DAvid 2

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6999 Location: USA

Actually, the more I think about it, the more it would be good to know that we are living in the end times...

I don't make nearly enough money to save for my retirement, it would be nice to know I won't have to worry about it.
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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

oh well, i'll have to live with 'time delay' on this board.
so slow!
Joman, it's not eveyone that can share visions and be comfortable doing it.
Evil and his reps have put a stigma on dreams, visions, and God revealling to you. About the only thing that gets by and is public is aclose call in life and someone says " by God's grace, i'm still alive". General enough and, personal but yet, inconsequential.
so often we experience the fraudulent, God sayers, most often in churches and telling everyong : God told me last nite" isn't funny how they get away with it too, i guess it's b/c they went to school, and learned how to hear God. lol And the regular folk well if God is speaking to you it's irrelevent for one and two if it gets to be a habit , theyhave pills for you and a condition by which you can be classified, but that also must come from the school boys, the doctors, phd, the government ordained instituited ,lawyer certified , approved that you are mental. lol

Well all said , there has to be some order to Evil and they are quite good at it.
but back to your post, it surely takes as you said in your PS. People who, have genuine faith and and who impicitly trust in God and His Authority over all and His pesonalized association by the Holy Spirit in the lives of the sincere, to collectively come together in the latter days to harmonize and live in His loving embrace, as one big happy family.

Though there will be difficulty, in the world Joman, it's that way now.
Just consider how painful it is to see, how exploitve the western kingdoms, sorry CULTures, have become and the complete stripping of the innocence of children. These days are shortedned, and the beast , knows his time is not long. He will grab at anythiing and with all their words and ways try to appease the world making promises to make it a better place. Gut God has set up these days to expose the SICK PERVERTED kings and their multifarious, ways of looking corrupt and criminal as they are.
At each turn they will look on a whole as being more confused and terror will rise amongst them as they loose their owm ability to be so called 'civil 'amongst themselves, and the world will watch as they are lowered into the depths of hell.

Evil is convinced he is right and shows no signs of backing off, and goes down a looser still claiming victory despite the fact he's dead.
Here's a good one for you,____ yesterday's montreal Gazette, front page, article, """"" I am driven with a mission from God"""" and it goes on to say that GW told Palestinian leaders in 03. It's a BBc documentary, in which GW is portrayed as being spoken to By God "to go and kill those terrorists in Afghabistan " and so he did " then "go end the tyranny in Iraq" " go get the Palestines their own land and Israelites their security" and George responds with " by God, i'm going to do it". how funny.
The big kahuna,____ little george from bushoilfieldschainy, texas, by way of camp david and the 'sycophants' of aristocratic, plutocractic in nature with close ties to the blair -witch project and the Sharon oligarchy.

Some day he will stare into a mirror and horns will start protruding from his head with a pitch fork in hand. and upon his shoulders a little red cape , looking like little red riding hood, perhaps a little more modest, he might even consider it a custume for hollow weeeeeeeeeeeeen.

That could be the new " i had a dream" speech, then he would really need help from the FdA eh? Here george, here's a magic pill, you too can get to Oz, maybe you could be him too. and there went georgie, off to see the wizard. ________________ AND WHAT DO YOU NEED THERE LITTLE texas boy, ___ aaa ahhhha a a ahhhha iiiii nnneeeeeedddd a a a tongue, _________ AND WHY'S THAT, ____ w eellllll you r h oonnour, majjjessstt y S I R, , i lied too much.

lOLOLOLOLOLOL

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.!!!!!!!!!

peace and let it be ,
~~~~ let it be, WHISPER WORDS OF WISDOM , LET IT BE.~~~~~

David2

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

oh well, i'll have to live with 'time delay' on this board.
so slow!
Joman, it's not eveyone that can share visions and be comfortable doing it.
Evil and his reps have put a stigma on dreams, visions, and God revealling to you. About the only thing that gets by and is public is aclose call in life and someone says " by God's grace, i'm still alive". General enough and, personal but yet, inconsequential.
so often we experience the fraudulent, God sayers, most often in churches and telling everyong : God told me last nite" isn't funny how they get away with it too, i guess it's b/c they went to school, and learned how to hear God. lol And the regular folk well if God is speaking to you it's irrelevent for one and two if it gets to be a habit , theyhave pills for you and a condition by which you can be classified, but that also must come from the school boys, the doctors, phd, the government ordained instituited ,lawyer certified , approved that you are mental. lol

Well all said , there has to be some order to Evil and they are quite good at it.
but back to your post, it surely takes as you said in your PS. People who, have genuine faith and and who impicitly trust in God and His Authority over all and His pesonalized association by the Holy Spirit in the lives of the sincere, to collectively come together in the latter days to harmonize and live in His loving embrace, as one big happy family.

Though there will be difficulty, in the world Joman, it's that way now.
Just consider how painful it is to see, how exploitve the western kingdoms, sorry CULTures, have become and the complete stripping of the innocence of children. These days are shortedned, and the beast , knows his time is not long. He will grab at anythiing and with all their words and ways try to appease the world making promises to make it a better place. Gut God has set up these days to expose the SICK PERVERTED kings and their multifarious, ways of looking corrupt and criminal as they are.
At each turn they will look on a whole as being more confused and terror will rise amongst them as they loose their owm ability to be so called 'civil 'amongst themselves, and the world will watch as they are lowered into the depths of hell.

Evil is convinced he is right and shows no signs of backing off, and goes down a looser still claiming victory despite the fact he's dead.
Here's a good one for you,____ yesterday's montreal Gazette, front page, article, """"" I am driven with a mission from God"""" and it goes on to say that GW told Palestinian leaders in 03. It's a BBc documentary, in which GW is portrayed as being spoken to By God "to go and kill those terrorists in Afghabistan " and so he did " then "go end the tyranny in Iraq" " go get the Palestines their own land and Israelites their security" and George responds with " by God, i'm going to do it". how funny.
The big kahuna,____ little george from bushoilfieldschainy, texas, by way of camp david and the 'sycophants' of aristocratic, plutocractic in nature with close ties to the blair -witch project and the Sharon oligarchy.

Some day he will stare into a mirror and horns will start protruding from his head with a pitch fork in hand. and upon his shoulders a little red cape , looking like little red riding hood, perhaps a little more modest, he might even consider it a custume for hollow weeeeeeeeeeeeen.

That could be the new " i had a dream" speech, then he would really need help from the FdA eh? Here george, here's a magic pill, you too can get to Oz, maybe you could be him too. and there went georgie, off to see the wizard. ________________ AND WHAT DO YOU NEED THERE LITTLE texas boy, ___ aaa ahhhha a a ahhhha iiiii nnneeeeeedddd a a a tongue, _________ AND WHY'S THAT, ____ w eellllll you r h oonnour, majjjessstt y S I R, , i lied too much.

lOLOLOLOLOLOL

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.!!!!!!!!!

peace and let it be ,
~~~~ let it be, WHISPER WORDS OF WISDOM , LET IT BE.~~~~~

David2

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

sorry about that but it's ridiculous the time i'm having to wait. And i god stuck so i tried to get out and hit the submit button againg, but as you can see there was a 9 MINUTE DELAY between my first and second post. tHAT 'S HOW LONG I SAT AND WAITED, so i tried to take off get out and two more were posted,

i'm outa here , it took many minutes just t oget bakc here!!!
DAvid2

golfjack · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: reply

David, if you don't like America and president Bush, why don't you go to China or Cuba, where the Liberals live. Canadian liberals (disgusting). Or maybe you could join George Sorus or Moveon.org.

A happy Republican, golfjack

Fake · Tiger Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 862

What has always fascinated me is that so many devouted christians in the US are republican. After all, Jesus Christ was spreading a message of democratic socialism, about as far as one can get from the neo-conservatives that control the republican party, and most churches in the US.

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david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

LOLOL

earthquake,
what happened did GW jump too high hit his head on a cloud and shake the earth so much that, India, went into shock. haha.

Goljack
Big wheeler PM Martin is as big a criminal. The 'united nations' are coming here next mont , just up the river in downtown Montreal, oh boy. 180 Nations represented.
perhaps they should import live chikens for the feast , from china, lol
hopefully, i'll be outa here by then and in the sunny south.
Are you near Scottsdale golf jack.? desert Golf , i guess you bring a water bottle whenever you go out for a round.

Why do the American news readers constantly put fear into the american conscious, fear , fear , fear, creates more conversation, confusion, and control _____the 3' C's_____ Now it's the bird flu, millions could die. Another subject to keep the minds of people all busy talking thinking and looking forward to going to work to talk about the latese , Going, to work , ie labouring for the government and social welfare. oh boy. retire in the desert play golf and __________--- there's your stone, 1943 -2008 left his heart in the labour union along with his savings, 10 thousand to cancer, 4000, to flue bug NON proffit, 4000 to the school board of evolution. and 25,000 for each of the grandchildren when they reach 35, he was a good lad and " he's in a better place now", spoken in confidence by the pulpit minister,_________________________ oh boy.
Got a love Canada , it 's the same here, and France and england and australia. you live , you play, you die and Ecclesiastes says "what's the difference" ? He died a 5 handicap or 18 handicap. he bogeyed or parred, the wine tasted the same and water was filled with chlorine. He made the papers, and was lowered in a little brown box. and they threw flowers and passed around the hankie. and dinner was served at the Hilton. And eveyone got see paris hilton's picture in the lobby. and they went home and God said it was Good.
lol

Whatever,
David2

Islamabad, a holy place, every year hundreds of millions converge there for idol worship.
If America was christian, or the media was,__ well_____________ judaism -christian then according to the Bible -God all those who are dieing________ are going straight to hell anyway for not accepting Jesus, so why make such a big deal about the pain of suffering, when there going to the fire pit.to be warm and fuzzy.____________ don't christians think there all going to the fire, anyway.? 80% = 200 + million. in america.

How's that for some painful thought.?
God is in India,, the blue one, the green one, and the lion god, lots a gods____ oh boy_____ What's next???? the next biggest media Shocked

event that sells, tv advertising.

i'm so happy Laughing

these days are here so we can soon get on with, living in truth and trust and remove the mental madness going on in hell.

Did i say__ hell? living in hell, what aconcept, born in sin ,_____da that must be hell, where evil Rules , that must be hell._______ OK GoT IT, born in hell , raised in hell die in hell _____Go to Hell ___ AGAIN. FIRE AFTER FIRE AFTEr FIRE ON 70 YEAR SPANs, one AFTER THE NEXT ___ THAT'S ETERNAL HELL___________________________oh boy

just kidding,
just thinking,
just spueing,
just wondering why people can't understand the Bible?

FFT · Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:30 am Post subject:

David2: If you made your posts more clear, people would have an easier time comprehending and responding to them. All the underscores are a bit excessive, eh? That said;

david2 · Booted Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 81

FFT
good am
i see you chopped up my post, excellent dude!!!! get her done!

you said you understand the Bible quite well, ok lets see
open book Eze 31 : 8 " The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him, the fir trees were not like his boughs
15 " Thus saith the Lord God IN the day when he went down to the grave I casued a mourning: I covered the deep for him.
open book
jer 25 :29 " For lo I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should you be utterly unpunished. ye shall not be unpunished for i will call a sword , upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the lord of Hosts.

rev 19:18 " and ye shall eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of captains........and so on give the meaning here.

ok know this and you are in good company.