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lowers
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| I would say most people are NOT COMPLETE without a soul-mate (with their other rib) & God their Creator/Father/Guide. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Amen lowers I agree 
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wobjob
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: |
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1) The number of obvious (if not all) homosexuals has gone up since the government has given them certain privilages & okayed them in certain ways.
2) Some people are leaders, but numerous others follow whatever bandwagon they see (Including some who call themselves Christians Crying or Very sad ).
3) Who is going to investigate what percentage of each nationality of the human race CANNOT be/become homosexuals, taking into account accidents, diseases, & catastrifies in a long-term range to prevent the human race or even any nationalities from becoming EXTINCT Question Confused |
1) This is because people who WERE already homosexual used to be afraid of judgement (both legal and social), not because people have just decided, "Hey! I want a change in my life...well, it's ok to be gay these days, I'll give THAT a try!"
2) This is an extremely obtuse statement. That kind of thing applies to buying jeans or the latest technology. Sexual preference is an extremely personal thing and I'm almost positive that there is not a homosexual alive today who has done so because his best friend decided it was the cool thing to do. One of my best friends's parents are both homosexual (they realised about a year after she was born) and is heterosexual herself. It's not simply a matter of "the cool thing to do" or "what I was brought up to do".
3) There a so many people alive today, that this is completely silly. Even if half the population of the planet (which would be completely absurd) turned homosexual, the human race would still continue, in fact, it would probably be a blessing in terms of cutting down over-population. |
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | why does God find homosexuality abominable?
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There's certainly no evidence that he does.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Dbb,
I think it might have something to do with unjust weights and measurements. Like, you need up for there to be a down. You need wrong in order for there to be right. Darkness, light. Positive, negative.
I believe its the lack of balance that is abominable with God.
I can throw some scripture at you, but I think you know what I'm trying to say, yes?
I believe God made man and woman, masculine and feminine for balance.
When you have two males or females does it throw off the balance?
What if one male is masculine and the other feminine? Or one female is masculine and one is feminine?
Frankly I don't know and I'm not the judge. So whatever they decide to do with their lives whether they are penalized or rewarded makes no difference to me and my life. I am not homosexual, I don't plan to be. If I want to be then that should be my choice between me and God.
I am learning one important lesson, if nothing else, that man is accountable for himself regardless of who makes the rules.
There's way too many opinions in the world including my own. And until we learn how to communicate without dictating then maybe there will be peace. Only God knows if and when this will ever happen.
In the mean time, what will be will be. And to each his own.
Amen?
Lone
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:21 am Post subject: |
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LT I think I understand some of what you are saying, but, there are corrolarries.
In ancient times we had men's and women's spheres of life. Except in cases which accepted gender diversity no one who was one gender had any entry into the sphere of the other. This resulted in the Platonic worldview elevating men and regarding women as a lesser species of sorts.
We are moving away from the "gender is destiny" worldview and rightfully so. But many contradictions remain.
There are good and bad relationships among all orientations. Definitely balance is needed but no one can truthfully say LGBT relationships can't have it.
Some comparisons are in order.
Who has a better relationship with women, Will of Will and Grace or Archie Bunker?
Who objects to men and women who are not married being friends, gays and lesbians, or fundamentalists?
Are kids better served being raised by a loving same gender couple or a het pair with much contempt for one another?
And on and on. There's so much more to these issues than sex and gender.
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | | I am learning one important lesson, if nothing else, that man is accountable for himself regardless of who makes the rules. |
This is similar to a concept we have in the helping professions which is "everyone is 100% responsible for his own behavior". In my expereince fundamentalists do not like this concept.
| Quote: | | And until we learn how to communicate without dictating then maybe there will be peace. |
I believe that is the defintion of where advocates of human progress wish to take us.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| DBB wrote: | | This is similar to a concept we have in the helping professions which is "everyone is 100% responsible for his own behavior". In my expereince fundamentalists do not like this concept. |
I disagree on two counts:
1) it has long been a mode and tradition of secular 'help' that one's difficulties and problems arise from one's environment and upbringing - alluding to the ol' "you hate your mother" scenario.
2) fundamentalists that I know of, myself included, have long asserted the idea of personal responsibility. It is not excusable to act on something according to one's nature if that act is contrary to law or scripture. THAT is the fundamentalist view.
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | DBB wrote: | | This is similar to a concept we have in the helping professions which is "everyone is 100% responsible for his own behavior". In my expereince fundamentalists do not like this concept. |
I disagree on two counts:
1) it has long been a mode and tradition of secular 'help' that one's difficulties and problems arise from one's environment and upbringing - alluding to the ol' "you hate your mother" scenario.
2) fundamentalists that I know of, myself included, have long asserted the idea of personal responsibility. It is not excusable to act on something according to one's nature if that act is contrary to law or scripture. THAT is the fundamentalist view. |
I disagree on two counts also:
1) Fundamentalism buys into the excuse "the devil made me do it". Few actually believe in Old Splitfoot but he's a convenient excuse. Thus they waste their energies on nuisance projects like getting 7-11 to stop selling Playboy. The blame Hollywood, Bill Clinton, the UN, et al but never themselves.
2) Fundamentalists reject personal responsibility and blame "the culture" for individual behavior. When caught with their pants down they blame Angelina Jolie or Lizzy Borden.
And here's a third one for good measure:
3) Fundamentalism has long been linked with chemical abuse and family violence as three factors from which people get messages to not feel, think, or talk.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: |
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You are incorrect regarding fundamentalists. I suspect your application of the term is a catch all for what you view as 'religious', and does not accurately reflect the true notion of 'fundamentalist', or the fundamental Christian movement.
Your characterization of fundamentalist denies the truth held of 'free will' granted by the Creator. Because there is free will, the choice to obey God's Word or not, is exactly that - a choice, and a matter of personal responsibility. Certainly the 'devil' influences, but he does not force one to act. THAT is an essential fundamentalist POV my friend.
For more please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist#Christian_Views
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Da Blonde Bombshell
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| RevJP wrote: | You are incorrect regarding fundamentalists. I suspect your application of the term is a catch all for what you view as 'religious', and does not accurately reflect the true notion of 'fundamentalist', or the fundamental Christian movement.
Your characterization of fundamentalist denies the truth held of 'free will' granted by the Creator. Because there is free will, the choice to obey God's Word or not, is exactly that - a choice, and a matter of personal responsibility. Certainly the 'devil' influences, but he does not force one to act. THAT is an essential fundamentalist POV my friend.
For more please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist#Christian_Views |
Interesting article, and thanks. What you say is true---in principle. In practice, though, fundamentalism engages in a blame game blaming everyone but the individual. This is more a matter of sociology than of doctrine, certainly.
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RevJP
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I see your point. I was discussing doctrine, you are discussing that frailty of mankind.
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