can satan read minds?

paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

Hi all,
well, many responses, but still not sure i have been answered. i guess what i was looking for was something of a scriptural example that would clarify yes satan can read minds or no, satan cannot read minds...fairly simple. not sure it exists, thus the question. maybe i missed it (altogether possible) i'll go back and re-read the posts.
paul

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:05 am Post subject:

Hi Paul,

I have a verse or two about serpents, and devils, and satan.
Tell me though please, who or what you believe satan is, ok?

serpent:
Ps:58:1: Do ye indeed speak righteousness, O congregation? do ye judge uprightly, O ye sons of men?
Ps:58:2: Yea, in heart ye work wickedness; ye weigh the violence of your hands in the earth.
Ps:58:3: The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
Ps:58:4: Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
Ps:58:5: Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.

Ps:140:1: Deliver me, O Lord, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man;
Ps:140:2: Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.
Ps:140:3: They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

Eccl:10:11: Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better.

Mi:7:16: The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
Mi:7:17: They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.

Mt:23:31: Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mt:23:32: Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mt:23:33: Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Lk:10:19: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

2Cor:11:3: But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Rv:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

devil:

Dt:32:16: They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Dt:32:17: They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Dt:32:18: Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

Ps:106:37: Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
Ps:106:38: And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Ps:106:39: Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a wh**ing with their own inventions.

Mt:4:1: Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Mt:4:2: And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
Mt:4:3: And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mt:4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mt:4:5: Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mt:4:6: And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mt:4:7: Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Mt:4:8: Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mt:4:9: And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mt:4:10: Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mt:4:11: Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

To me this shows a battle of the minds. In Jesus' mind, He knew he was the Son of God, He knew he could have the whole world follow him if he chose to. Satan was his carnal earthly mind tempting him to have it all, to keep the glory for himself. To test himself and see just how powerful he was and could become.
Also in Jesus' mind was the knowledge that he was the Son of God. He knew the better promises that awaited him for following God and not himself. He was there when Pharoah fell from pride, He was there when Nebuchadnezzar fell from his own glory. He knew the repercussions of those decissions.
He chose to follow the spiritual mind of God rather than the carnal mind of Satan.
This was the temptation in the dessert that every man is tempted with.
The bible says God tempts no man. I believe the temptation comes from our own minds.

Jms:3:13: Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jms:3:14: But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jms:3:15: This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jms:3:16: For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

Jms:4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Jms:4:5: Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
Jms:4:6: But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Jms:4:7: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jms:4:8: Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

1Jn:3:10: In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

I see a comparison between the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness, and Eve in the garden.
Only Eve chose the carnal minded things, and Jesus chose the spiritually minded things.

Satan:

1Chr:21:1: And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
1Chr:21:2: And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it.

1Chr:21:7: And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.
1Chr:21:8: And David said unto God, I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing: but now, I beseech thee, do away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

I didn't here David say " the devil made me do it". He thought it in his heart and why it was an evil thing, I do not know, but I guess it was a matter of trusting God and not the numbers of his men.

I see a comparrison here between David saying " If I have enough men we can go to war and win. With, the disciples saying, "how we going to feed all these people with 5 loaves of bread?"
Rational thinking LOL.

Jb:1:6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Jb:1:7: And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

To me this means, evil thoughts, walking amongst the spiritual thoughts.
Earth being our carnal minds.

Ps:109:1: Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;
Ps:109:2: For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.
Ps:109:3: They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.
Ps:109:4: For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.
Ps:109:5: And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.
Ps:109:6: Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
Ps:109:7: When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

Mk:3:21: And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.
Mk:3:22: And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mk:3:23: And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?

How can an evil mind cast out evil thoughts? It is Good that overcomes evil.

Mk:4:14: The sower soweth the word.
Mk:4:15: And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

You ever know anyone that has said, "I used to believe in God but,..."
what changed their minds?..

Acts:26:18: To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

2Cor:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

You ever run across people that you think are looking out for your good, only to find them stabbing you in the back?

So the question is: Can Satan read minds?

Rv:3:20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Satan gives the same line.

all depends on which master you choose to follow.

Yourself or God

Lone
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paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

Hi there lone travler,
"verse or two..." i suspect you jest? Not sure why you ask who or what i think satan is. everyone seems to be reading between non existant lines when they read the question, and then the original question gets lost when people start responding to each others comments. so i tried to bring it back to the original question. there may be no authoritative answer, there isn't one i know of off hand but thought someone else might have something besides speculation. by "authoritative" i would be looking for a specific verse or verses from the bible that would say (or even imply) an answer to said specific question.
to answer your question: i think satan is a being created by God who left his original purpose, wanted to be God. so he is a fallen angel who goes about trying to destroy anything that God created. of course there's a lot more, but don't want to throw the concordance at you. pretty much am taking my cues from the bible on defining him though.
paul

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6908 Location: USA

paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

Thanks JP,
an affirmation anyway. i thought/think so too, but wanted to throw it out there in case someone knew differently.
paul

FFT · Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: No ...

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