can satan read minds?

paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

okay gang again, don't know if this place for this question: can satan read minds? what do you think?
paul

FFT · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:19 am Post subject:

Read Job.
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Star · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:25 am Post subject:

Looky at you FFT all pointing to the scriptures, for an athiest your not doing so well Laughing

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paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

FFT,
could you be a bit more specific? is there a verse or verses in Job that would indicate one way or the other that satan reads minds? which ones?
thanks
paul

FFT · Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject:

No.

Job is evidence that Satan can not do any mind reading.
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paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

ha, well i hoped there would be some budding theologians out there who would jump on these questions...something a bit more than a yes or no answer. a little substance.

Nobby · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:16 am Post subject:

Paul, havn't looked it up but I've heard it all my christian life that Satan knows our weakness! I'm wondering how he could know that without reading our mind?

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golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: Can Satan read minds?

Hi there, I don't think Satan can read minds. However, he is thief that comes to destroy and kill, even believers. If this were true, nobody would be saved. THe Bible tells us we have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). Ezekiel 36:26,27 says that God will give us a new heart or spirit. As Christians, we have a new nature, which is actually the nature of God deposited in us at the New Birth. Therefore, the problem with the believer is the mind and flesh. This is where the battlefield is. He can use our thoughts and words to try to destroy us. He uses all kinds of devices that this world has to offer. So, what is the remedy? To study and mediate what's in the Bible because this the mind of Christ. ( 2 Cor. 10:4,5). The mind is the leader or forerunner of all actions. (Romans 8:5). In conclusion, I believe that it so important to renew our minds like Paul has told us. There are many believers who are defeated by not doing this.

Have a great day in the Lord, golfjack

paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

thanks nobby,
well, i would imagine satan can observe our behavior/actions and know from those our weaknesses. if he's been around since the beginning, i'd imagine he's gotten his degree in psychology by now and is also pretty good at reading between the lines and knowing what buttons to push. still, i'd like to know if he can hear what i'm thinking because it seems sin starts in the mind with desire (ie lust/desire leads to temptation), and satan being the temptor...well, you get it. don't know if thoughts are part of the spiritual realm...satan being a spiritual being. we like to think our thoughts are our own, but are they? is there really any scriptural indication that they are? or, again, are thoughts a part of the spiritual realm and subject to different rules.
paul

paul valentine · Tadpole Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 21

hi golfjack,
thanks for your reply, i think we were writing at the same time even though yours got posted when i wrote my response to nobby.
you make the statement that satan "can use our thoughts and words to try and destroy us..." how can he use "our" thoughts if he can't hear them? or do you think that he can speak to our minds, but not hear what we think?
paul

golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: reply

Hi Paul, It's all about what we speak in our lives. Thoughts are thoughts. If we speak postive things about our lives, Our spirutual lives will grow. If we speak or confess negative things into our lives, we can be snared by the devil and it could lead to death (physical). Let me give you an example: If I had a Father who died of cancer early in life, and that was my thinking for my life and through the years kept saying, I am going to die of cancer just like my father did because I have that gene, then it will probably happen. Proverbs 10:19-21. As we see in this part of scripture our words are important.

God bless, golfjack

Star · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:29 am Post subject:

If you think about it, in pretense the brood of vipers tempted Christ always, they were of the same mind but it was Christ who could perceive their thoughts by the Spirit of God.

If I started a post I would have stated, "Can Christ know our thoughts"? I say YEP

And if you would think someone worth fearing it would not be satan but God Himself because satan can only do that which God allows (needs permission).

Its God who sends the powerful delusion that they may believe a lie who what?

I'd rather speak from this angle, it puts things in its proper perspective.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:00 am Post subject:

I learned sometime ago that if you stub your toe, the impact of the nerve endings travels to your brain, and then the brain sends down signals to your toe and you go OOOUCH!!!

I've been looking up mind, thoughts, and I found this to be interesting:

1Chr:28:9: And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

I'm thinking, thoughts begin in your heart and travel to your mind, and then your emotions/actions come forth from your heart.

So I guess if you keep your heart clean, it will keep your mind pure, and then you will bear the fruit of your emotions/actions. (Holy Spirit).

If you have wicked thoughts( heart), it will create a filthy mind, and then you will bear the fruit of a carnal mind.

Rom:8:3: For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom:8:4: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom:8:5: For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom:8:6: For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom:8:7: Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom:8:8: So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom:8:10: And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Mt:9:4: And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?

Mt:5:8: Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Mt:13:19: When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Mt:15:8: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

So I see this as, you can have it in your heart, but have it not produce,

and you can have it in your mind, but it is empty too.

so I stub my toe, but the nerves are dead and I dont feel it,

or my nerves are so active I feel false pain everywhere.

so then we need a healthy body and a healthy mind in order to have a healthy life.

body, mind, and soul.

this make any sense??

Lone
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golfjack · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: Right thinking

Hi all, Right thinking brings right believing. Right believing brings right speaking. And right speaking brings positive results. On the other hand, wrong thinking creares doubt, fear, and worry, which bring negative results. I will say what the Word says about me. I always triumph in Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 2:14).

Have a great day in the Lord, golfjack

FFT · Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Right thinking