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The Justice of God


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Is God just in condemning humans to eternal punishment?
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no
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that's not fair of God
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that's not a God of love
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God is totally sovereign and He does whatever He pleases
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christina
Cobra



Joined: 01 Nov 2004

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You asked who would I arrest I dont think that throwing a seven year old in jail is the answer. Why does the answer have to be jail at all?
Were not suppost to judge others so if it was up to me to handle the case i would focus on how this problem came about, why this seven year old would commit such a hurtful act and so on.
Hey if it were up to me though Guns would'nt even be legal!
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy



Joined: 26 Mar 2005

Posts: 5880

Location: Memphis

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you're doing is evading the question.

christina wrote:
Were not suppost to judge others so if it was up to me to handle the case i would focus on how this problem came about, why this seven year old would commit such a hurtful act and so on.

Exactly.
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Phinehas
Show Poodle



Joined: 08 Jan 2003

Posts: 262

Location: St. Cloud

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

christina wrote:
Hey if it were up to me though Guns would'nt even be legal!

Ouch! You just stepped on my right. That's what the Hitlers and Stalins of the world did before they began carting off their opposition and those they didn't like to the camps.

1Sa. 13:19-22, "Not a blacksmith could be found in the whole land of Israel, because the Philistines had said, 'Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears!' So all Israel went down to the Philistines to have their plowshares, mattocks, axes and sickles sharpened. The price was two thirds of a shekel for sharpening plowshares and mattocks, and a third of a shekel for sharpening forks and axes and for repointing goads. So on the day of the battle not a soldier with Saul and Jonathan had a sword or spear in his hand; only Saul and his son Jonathan had them."

Lk. 22:36, "He said to them, 'But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.'"

To Fake, FFT, and everybody else, I lost track of this thread and am having difficulty sorting out which questions were directed at me. I'll be happy to consider your questions, but could you do me the favor of posting them again if you think they're important?
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thunder
Lion King



Joined: 13 Sep 2003

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: A reminder ... Reply with quote

A reminder ... if guns were banned, only the innocent who stock weapons for protection would have their guns confiscated, which would leave just crimenals and mercenaries and government military with weapons.

That means that people like us would be defenseless when protecting our own homes, neighbors home and families when crimenals come barging in, and they will barge because, well because they're crimenals and see EASY PICKINGS at every home or business.

Sure the cops will come, eventually, and before they arrive, the crimenals will have finished off what they came for departed un-hindered in their crimenal ventures.

Note: if every adult male and female passed the crime record and IQ test, each could purchase or receive a standard military weapon, i.e., M-16, MP-5, Baretta 9mm, Colt Combat Commander 45ACP and then, get fully certified in using that weapon thru the sheriff and / or local police dept., the crimenals will get jobs and crime will drop radically.

thunderize them!
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Fake
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Joined: 03 May 2003

Posts: 862


PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THe fact that a lot of civilians own guns has not in any way, shape or form deterred criminals from using their guns first.

In Sweden, where it's very hard to get a weapon's licence, criminals very rarely make use of their weapons.

Small children accidentally getting their hands on mommy's or daddy's gun, and shooting someone with it without purpouse is unheard of here, but I guess that it's acceptable that some 8 children a day are killed by firearms in the US, just so you can have the right to use a weapon whenever you want.
Who's thinking of the children?

CDC wrote:
In 2001, 2,937 U.S. children and teenagers died of firearm injuries. This includes 1,797 homicides (including 26 deaths due to legal intervention), 928 suicides, and 212 unintentional and undetermined shootings. Every day in America, an average of eight children and youth aged 19 and younger die from gunshot wounds (5 homicides and 3 suicides).

CDC/National Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 16, September 16, 2002



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plain_me
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Joined: 16 Aug 2005

Posts: 68

Location: Pembine, WI

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but are you people serious?

I don't know how the topic got turned over to this subject, but since it has, I've gotta say something.

Guns were legal for years & years & years with no problems because they were a commonplace item. People taught their kids how to use them & respect them, and therefore, they were not so curious about them because it was no big deal for dad's gun to be propped up in the corner of the living room. Since we treat guns like an off limits, dangerous thing instead of teaching children that they are as safe as anything else that is used responsibly, like say, a car.

Education is key, and if people would educate themselves they would realize that guns aren't dangerous unless the person holding it is. Let me give you an example: My cousins have grown up having guns, and hunting with them. They were less than seven years old when they were over the fascination with guns, and they realized what guns were actually useful for. They were not under the impression that guns could only be used for hunting. They knew that they could be used, if absolutely necessary, to protect yourself or your family by seriously hurting someone else.

Nuff said, if you don't see the point, then you are only involved in this discussion board to try & come up with a better argument just because. I just hope that even if you feel compelled to dupe someone else into believing the ridiculous argument of the opposed, that you really aren't deceived into believing that taking peoples' rights to bear arms away is actually a good idea.
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Star
King of the Jungle



Joined: 05 Sep 2004

Posts: 1765

Location: Just moved to south Carolina

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a bee bee gun Laughing I shoot cans with it when I'm bored. Guns don't kill people its people who do it either accidentally or with intent to harm.

Sad but hotdogs kill people too, usually because they don't chew them properly, I dont think you'll find them outlawing hotdogs Laughing

Accidents happen ya know? I'm not for or against much myself.


Put a sober man behind a wheel of a car you could still have an accident. Put a drunk man behind the wheel of a car (increases the chances of an accident) could kill many more, and it often does.

Who knows? Even with laws in place against drunk driving, the laws themselves never stop anything from happening.
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Phinehas
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Joined: 08 Jan 2003

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Location: St. Cloud

PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies. I didn't want to hijack this thread. Perhaps a moderator could take the last few off-topic threads and start a new thread in the Bible Doctrine forum and give it a suitable title (e.g., "God and guns"?).
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