The Sword

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Would you say

A- Jesus is the sword.

B- Jesus is struck by the sword.

C- Jesus uses the sword against evil.

D- Jesus had nothing to do with the sword.
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Star · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:

Gees Christina... Good brain teaser lol if we look at IN "The beginning" = Jesus Christ was THE WORD and HE was IN "The beginning"= Jesus Christ and The WORD was with Him and the WORD was GOD... Shoot did I phrase this right Laughing

He who see me sees the Father He and Him were ONE (God manifested in the firsborn of many sons). The Sword of the Spirit is the word of God. Yet Peter used HIS SWORD which was a no no, for He who lives by the sword dies by the sword?

I don't see Jesus as the sword but I see a sharp sword come out of His mouth (word of God). The Sword (letter of the word which kills) was raised up by God in those who delivered Him up to death on a cross. So the letter kills but the spirit gives life... double edged all for His purposes.

What say you Christina, I'm not even sure I got that as correct as I should. Laughing

Awake O Sword against my Shepherd, Letter of it without the Spirit of God is a killer.

Thats what I see, probrobly a bit more wordier then I should be but I thought to cover it from angles.

In Him

Star Very Happy

Star · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:

Heres some quick verses theres a few more but I'm still in an awful storm here and keep getting booted.

Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

Rev 2:12 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Zech 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man [that is] my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Ephes 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Heb 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Duet 32:39 See now that I, [even] I, [am] he, and [there is] no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of my hand.

Duet 32:31 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

Judgement is His

In Him

Star Very Happy

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Star · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject:

Yes we are Christina Very Happy

In Him

Star

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject:

Hi christina,
there are two swords...

the sword (WORD) of GOD
and the swords (words) of men

The words/ swords of men is what smote the shephard

and the people shouted...Crucify Him, Crucify Him

amen?

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

lone what do you mean "of men" & "of God"
Isnt the sword a device used by God.
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:

hi christina,

the Word of God:

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Re 2:16 Repent therefore; or else I come to thee quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth.

the Words of men:

Ps 59:7 Behold, they belch out with their mouth; Swords are in their lips: For who, [say they], doth hear?

Ps 64:3 Who have whet their tongue like a sword, And have aimed their arrows, even bitter words,
Ps 64:4 That they may shoot in secret places at the perfect: Suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.

Star · Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject:

Hey Christina,
Do a study on mouth tongue fire swords bows spears arrows etc they end up being the words of hate we speak that land us in the great category of what God defines as the wicked and faithless Shocked

Those not walking after Christs commands (the statutes of life) concerning not condemning and judging, by our own words Jesus said. Other words too such as "trap", or spreading a snare or "net" for someone" all spiritually spoken and shown that by our own words we are aquitted or condemned (one can start to perceive this taking place around you) Thats why the use of our mouths and tongues are heavily laden with warnings.

Ever wonder why in revelation smoke fire and brimstone came "out of mouths"? Shocked

Its a spiritual way of slaying your brother (Jesus magnified the law remember? From murder equal to hate, but "no man" can tame the tongue right?) Only God can cleanse the heart (inner cup) from "where the tongue speaks" (out of the overflow of ones heart the mouth speaks) Surprisingly the perfect man (in james) is shown to be perfect in word (not knowledge, that can be and is in part but the spirit you speak from be it love or hate) Or light or darkness.

You know others after "peaceable fruits of the holy Spirit" and the law of kindness and love, they would speak words unto edification if walking in love but notso if they walk in hate, they devour each other and tear others down looking to trap or to provoke you as they did our Lord.

His temptations and trials are our own, he was constantly tempted and provoked within the realm of the religious. It always comes down to either (love of God in you or not in you) If it is you sow to the spirit of love and kindness (qualities of spirit) or sow to the flesh (hatred, discord or maliciousness strife debate etc).

Its a pretty eye opening study to see the damage ones tongue can bring into your (inner) harvest whether it grow or is burnt by "the devouring tongue" or a tongue that brings restoration. Tongue holds the power of life and death and those who love it will eat its fruit. Each tree is known by its fruit (Spirit of love or hate) and how this affects our progress and growth in Christ as we abide in Him and walk in His statutes.

Tons in there... right on Lone Smile

I was completely flabbergasted at the study I did on "the wicked" its nothing of what you first think it is (whoa)

In Him

Star Smile

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Ok I think I see what you guys are saying.

But now "Awake o sword and strike the sheperd so that the sheep may scatter".

Who commands the sword/swords.

Are the swords not our way of thinking, which makes us act a certain way?

God used us to punish ourselves!
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thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

" There is no authority ... except from God. The rulers are not a terror to they who do good but to they who do evil. That ruler is Gods minister for good. If you are evil then fear because the ruler does not carry the sword for nothing. He is a minister who swings the sword executing wrath on those who practice evil." Romans 13:1-4

" Don't neglect the gift that God gives to you, the gift that He places in you when your faith comes together with the laying on of hands in the presbytery.

Meditate on these things; give your self wholly ( entirely ) to them so that you may progress into spiritual adulthood.

Take heed to your self and to the doctrine. Continue in them because only by doing them can you save your self and others who listen and follow you." 1 Tomothy 4:14-16

We are saved by becoming one with Christ, His doctrine and submitting to His authority.

The devil never changes. No one can change him. They who follow him become changed from bad to worse. The devil can pervert anyone who is not submitted to Christ completely. Only in complete and constant submission to Christ are we protected by Christ from the evil one.

At judgement, all who served sin will perish with sin.

thunder
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Star · Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject:

Eyol · Newbie Alert Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 1

(my first post)

The bible has a lot of swords within it. Jesus is in my thoughts the Double Edged sword....

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

" Cursed is every man ... which is hanged on a tree." Deut. 21:23

" Christ has redemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us ( for it is written," cursed is every man which is hanged on a tree." Galatians 3:13

" For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh ( when the law was applied to the flesh of man ), God did by sending His ( only begotten ) Son, ( who was ) in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh so that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3, 4

" But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now, if any one does not have the Spirit of Christ ( in them ), then he ( or she ) is not His.

And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." Romans 8:9, 10

" For as many that are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God." Romans 8:14

So, perhaps the curse of the law is the sword that was against the shepherd. Mt.26:31, John 10:11

Thank God the Christ was placed on a cross and died in the flesh, so that we are provided a sequester to seperate believers from the curse of the law, through Christ, so that we can be raised like He is, in newness of life.

thunder
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MoJo · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject:

Hi eyol. Welcome to the board. Will look forward to your thoughts.

Very Happy

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