the watchmen

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

2Sa 18:24 - 27
Now David was sitting between the two gates. And the watchman went up to the roof over the gate, to the wall, lifted his eyes and looked, and there was a man, running alone. Then the watchman cried out and told the king. And the king said, "If he is alone, there is news in his mouth." And he came rapidly and drew near. Then the watchman saw another man running, and the watchman called to the gatekeeper and said, "There is another man, running alone!" And the king said, "He also brings news." So the watchman said, "I think the running of the first is like the running of Ahimaaz the son of Zadok." And the king said, "He is a good man, and comes with good news."

1Ch 26:16 -
To Shuppim and Hosah the lot came out for the West Gate, with the Shallecheth Gate on the ascending highway--watchman opposite watchman.

Ps 127:1 -
Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain.

Isa 21:11-12
The burden against Dumah. He calls to me out of Seir, "Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night?"
The watchman said, "The morning comes, and also the night. If you will inquire, inquire; Return! Come back!"

Eze 3:17 -
"Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me

Eze 33:2 -
"Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: "When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman,

Ho 9:8 -
The watchman of Ephraim is with my God; But the prophet is a fowler's snare in all his ways-- Enmity in the house of his God.

2Ki 9:17 - 20
Now a watchman stood on the tower in Jezreel, and he saw the company of Jehu as he came, and said, "I see a company of men." And Joram said, "Get a horseman and send him to meet them, and let him say,
"Is it peace?"'
So the horseman went to meet him, and said, "Thus says the king: "Is it peace?"' And Jehu said, "What have you to do with peace? Turn around and follow me." So the watchman reported, saying, "The messenger went to them, but is not coming back." So the watchman reported, saying, "He went up to them and is not coming back; and the driving is like the driving of Jehu the son of Nimshi, for he drives furiously!"

Revelations 6:4
Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Do these two watchmen represent the christ and the anti-christ?
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Star · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:21 am Post subject:

Zech 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man [that is] my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

JESUS IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE= SCRIPTURES TESTIFY OF ME

When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is YOUR HOUR, and the power of darkness. (hour with the beast? Look in Rev.)

Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take PEACE "from the earth", and that people should kill one another; and there was GIVEN TO HIM a GREAT SWORD.

NOTICE NO ONE CAN HAVE POWER OVER HIM UNLESS((( IT WAS GIVEN)))GOD GAVE HIM INTO THEIR HANDS AND YET HE LAID HIS LIFE DOWN WILLINGLY SUBMITTING TO GODS WILL... SO NO ONE TOOK HIS LIFE FROM HIM.

From this point onward is the "dividing the household" to establish Gods Kingdom on Earth, Peace is Christ and He gives this to us (not as the world gives).

Ever see the those Wink

set at "Watch" at His Tomb? Seems like someone standing gaurd over the "tomb" trying to keep in check the resurection Wink

(our very hope odd enough).

In Him

Starlaa

Star · Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:27 am Post subject:

Red Horse (as I wrote this 10 years ago)

Rev 6:4 And there went out another HORSE [that was] RED: and [power] was GIVEN TO HIM that sat thereon to take PEACE from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was GIVEN unto him a GREAT SWORD

Jesus is the Prince of Peace

The HORSE (Isaiah 31:3) IS "FLESH" not Spirit. RED confirms Esau (who came out Red and Hairy) and is the FIRSTBORN which types the FLESH ( or as Carnal Man).

Now Power is not given to "the horse" but the RIDER (The Spirit of falsehood) who comes to take PEACE (Christ) “From the earth”. To HIM was GIVEN A GREAT SWORD. This is the Sword God says AWAKE (Zecharia) O’ SWORD AGAINST MY SHEPHERD (PEACE) AGAINST HIM WHO IS CLOSE TO ME! This is Christ who is drinking the Cup of the Father. Jesus said, "What you are about to do, do quickly" Speaking to "Satan" in Judas.

On the Night of Jesus’ betrayal, the chief priests, elders and so forth came to TAKE CHRIST (PEACE) and hand Him over to Pilate. Jesus says to them “This is YOUR HOUR when DARKNESS (Which is falsehood) REIGNS! (1John)

THESE are the ONES who were GIVEN AUTHORITY AS KINGS ALONG WITH THE BEAST (Rider) for how long? ONE HOUR!!! This is incredible!

Jesus it KNEW IT COMPLETELY. He says, “What shall I say, Father save ME from THIS HOUR”? For This reason He came into the World= to FINISH THE WORK OF GOD=CROSS.

As of YET it is NOT finished UNTIL He is on the CROSS. God now has PUT IT INTO THEIR HEARTS (Those who came for Him) TO ACCOMPLISH “HIS PURPOSE” (The Cross) by AGREEING to GIVE the BEAST (or The rider) THEIR POWER TO RULE (Or Reign) UNTIL Gods words were FULFILLED!

They REBELLED "IN FULFILLMENT" OF THE VISION given to Daniel, destroying the Body of Christ (PEACE) handing Him over to the Cross where it was finally said “It is FINISHED”

Another important thing that Jesus said there as well is this, "No one could have power over Him UNLESS IT WAS GIVEN from ABOVE. Which was a good testimony.

The scriptures say, “It was GIVEN to the RIDER”, “It was GIVEN a Great Sword”, “They were GIVEN authority”. and in Zech it is GOD HIMSELF who AWAKES THE SWORD against HIS SON.

Knowing all these things were WRITTEN AGAINST HIM and having the authority to lay down or pick up His life. He laid it down willingly in Love. Being that God gave them authority to do what they wished to Him He did not fight back. He was obedient unto death.

Those in Darkness waged war against the Lamb but He overcame them because Death cannot kill the author of life. The weakness of God is stronger then mans strength. The Cross is the Wisdom and power of God.

Now there too is Great Authority and all authorities have been set up by God Himself under which we are to submit. The enemies were of the Household in Jesus' time and so it is for us, enemys for our sakes. The Sword of Judgement and the sentence of death we are given over to filling up in ourselves what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ.

The Sword that Awakes against the Shepherd and turns against the little ones is as the Sword that should peirce Marys soul who is a similitude in the natural for the Mother and brethren of Christ who is in reality the True Mother of Christ. He is the Root and offspring of the house (we are His house) of David. The Sword which divides between soul and Spirit. Death working in us that life be revealed in others. Put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit as His Sword is bathed in Blood (Our life) that His life be revealed.

This can be refined The speaks of the Carnal man and the inward war as well. This is a surface picture only.

In Him

Star

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

The same guard ... that pilot set at the tomb became the very witness for the resurrection.

Pilot had to pay off the guards to silence their words.

Interesting indeed.

thunder
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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Moses and Jesus seem to me to represent the two lights.
One Journey was earthly and one was spiritually
the journey on earth would be the one false because theres no way we can get to heaven from walking down here. But the Spiritual one is the true light which will lead us to paradise. Moses gave us the law on earth but Jesus gave us the law in our hearts. The exodus happend in the old and new testament Which one will lead us to God?
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Star · Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:25 am Post subject:

Thunder... Good catch Very Happy

Was not the first converts of the party of the circumcision group? (by that I don't mean that of the heart Wink

YET)

Christina,

Heres where I screwed up on two great lights God defines as being "Sun and Moon" they are found "confounded and ashamed"...

The Light spoken by God in Genesiis comes BEFORE these "two lights"

Here in 24:23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Is this... Moses and Elias who symbolize the law and the prophets

In Christ these are fulfilled, shown in this picture....

Mark 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh [with him] Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

Mark 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Now Peter wanted to "separate" the three into "three parts" Shocked

Mark 9:5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make THREE tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. Surprised

Mark 9:8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw ((no man)) any more, save Jesus only with themselves. Mat 11:14 in reference to John (one born of woman who Jesus called a light that burned for a time) he say of John And if ye will receive [it], this is Elias, which was for to come.

So these two Moses and Elias are summed up in Christ who is the Light.

Need no Sun or Moon to shine on it but the glory of God gives light? (we have need of Christ so this cannot be Him)= Light of City=Us

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

In relation to the Sun and the Moon there looks to be keywords "confounded" is one and "ashamed" is the other, neither of these can be attributed to Christ who came before both, and yet they testified of Him and He also is established in us who believe.

"Confounds" Smile

the wise? Those who looked for Wisdom and those who look for Signs?

The real spiritual value of the Law and the prophets are hung on the law of love. Gods love for the world through Christ and His love in and through us by His power.

In Him

Star

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

" If I may further speak on ... earlier post " The same guard ... that pilot set at the tomb became the very witness for the resurrection.

Pilot had to pay off the guards to silence their words.

Interesting indeed."

I find the merits of this circumstance unique and I would like to note that Pilot chose the two guards himself, as being two men that he trusted, perhaps he had assigned them to certain tasks before and appreciated their behavior and report?

Another interesting point is that, after hearing their report, Pilot bought them off, as though he knew that after receiving a " payoff " they could be trusted to actually keep silent. Other wise, Pilot would have employed someone within his arsenal to " kill them both " for knowing something so special, something that must never be reported to the general population, much less to the disciples who would have appreciated the information more than anyone, perhaps.

Maybe Pilot received instructions from above to choose those two specifically, and that they should be released un-harmed? That, of course is speculation. Who knows what Pilot was thinking when he payed off the two guards.

Also, the two guards witnessed an angelic appearance, a miraculous " rolling away of the stone " that must have weighed so much that it took several men to move it yet, the stome rolled away at the appearance of angelic forms.

Then the two guards witnessed the one and only Christ appear at the opening left by the then vacated stone and He was glowing in an illuminated fashion in that He " shone."

Perhaps the Lord shone white and the angels shone blue, blue green, aquamarine, yellow or even maybe each shone white, each being glorified.

Something else, the two guards were picked specially by Pilot and were perhaps his choice because they had served him faithfully before and may have been present at the arrest of Christ in the garden.

Maybe the two were present at His mock trial, at Peter's denial of Christ, led Him back and forth from Pilot to the high priest, to Herod or perhaps they were present at Judas's betrayal.

Maybe they had been present at the beating when soldiers spat on Christ, mocked Him, blindfolded Him, blasphemed Him? Perhaps these two took part in the beating, openly scourged Him?

The two guards may have made the exchange between Christ and Barabbas, led Christ up the via delarosa, mocked Him in His attempt to carry His cross. It may have been these same two guards who drove the nails through the feet and hands of Christ and nailed the message labeled " king of the jews " to the top of His cross?

In either possible scenario, or all of them, the two guards were selected to watch over the tomb of Christ and witnessed a visit by angelic beings, Christ exit the grave and allowed Him to walk away while knowing that He was dead when He entered the tomb and alive when He left it.

Each of the guards were so " astonied " ( astonished ) that neither of them took steps to interrupt or end the escape of Christ from the certain death that He had entered three days earlier.

There is of course the possibility that the two guards were so astonished at the heavenly visitation and resurrection of Christ that, they later repented and shared their eye witness account with the disciples.

Some how the fact that what the two guards eye witnessed that day became information reported by the writers of the gospels.

Interesting

thunder
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