The Identity of the Beast Revealed!

Zathrus

Many believe current world events are pointing to the end. Here's how the whole scenario will go down:

As we know, in response to the terrorist attack on 9-11 last year, an attack portrayed as an attempt to strike at our freedom, authorities have been granted much broader powers of search and seizure. Some fear that our 4th ammendment rights are slipping away in the name of homeland security. With those who object to the idea of giving up freedom in the name of security being labeled as "helping terrorists" by government officials, the freedoms of dissent and free speech stand in jeopardy.

While the US quickly becomes more and more like the former Soviet Union, she declares war on Iraq. Saudi Arabia and neighboring primarily-Muslim nations object. A limited scale nuclear confrontation follows and most of the population of these primarily Muslim nations is nuked. In its imperialistic zeal, the US takes over the entire region and Iraq, Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia become the 51st, 52nd, 53rd and 54th states.

With the Muslim population destroyed, Israel rejoices, and US-Israeli relations have never been better. President Bush signs a treaty with Israel and moves the US capitol to Jerusalem. With all Muslims gone, he tears down the mosque now standing where the temple once was and has the temple rebuilt just as foretold in Bible prophecy. In 3 1/2 years it's completed and President Bush, the candidate of choice for America’s religious right, sits in the temple and declares he is God. He continues to crush all opposition to his rule.

Then he sets his sights on conquest of the remainder of the world. The rest of the world community except Russia willingly submits. With Russia becoming more and more democratic over the last 15 years, Bush won't tolerate them being the last bastion of democracy. He'll then make the same mistake Hitler did: attacking Russia.

In retaliation to his attempt to invade Russia, Russia comes down to invade Israel just as Bible prophecy predicts. Only it will be an attempt to end the threat to its democratic way of government! Russia will actually be taking a stand for democracy and against the the one-world government! Jesus and His armies will come from heaven on white horses to help Russia, but in the process will accidentally wipe out every last man in both armies.

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Happy holidays and Peace on Earth.

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Thank you Zathrus for the outline. Now, if I could only find my missing sock...

Ian Rankin

Zathrus
That is a colourful idea.I can go along with US involvement in end-time events, but fail to see the relevance of the rest of your portrayal. I would be interested in your support for the ideas if you are interested
Ian

Zathrus

Ian, that was just a bit of politico/eschatological humor there, that's all.

However, if I can't see the positive side of a situation, I tend to at least find some humor in it. And the Bush administration's seeming determination to go to war with Iraq despite the lack of concrete evidence that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, much less actually plans to use them is a situation I find disturbing.

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LocalGuy · Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:17 pm Post subject: Another.. Identity?

Remember Daniel 7?

He goes on about 4 beasts and such, one in succession after another..

then "Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth. " In verse 17.

The Great Kingdom at the time was Babylon.. which was destroyed by the Medes and the Persians.. and then Alexander and his Grecian Empire conquered them, along with much of the civilized world, and over Greece came the next great kingdom.

"Thus he said:

"The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings." Daniel 7:23-24

What kingdom/empire came after Greece? Where was Christ born? The Apostles? Even a Book of the New Testament is written about this place.
Rome?
Did not 10 Eurpoean Nations come from the ruins of the Former Roman Empire? Did not Rome boast dominion over the Earth?

Let's back track a bit.

"...a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words. " Daniel 7:7-8

The Horns.. are Kings. Look to Verse 23. And there this one "king", different, and look what he saws in verse 25

"He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time."

Blaspheme God, Persecute saints, Change God's Laws, and Rule for 3.5 Times.

So... what king came from Europe, different than any ordinary king, out of the fallen Roman Empire to do all of the above?

Any clue?

mijt1 · Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Another.. Identity?

[So... what king came from Europe, different than any ordinary king, out of the fallen Roman Empire to do all of the above?

Any clue

How about great Britain? later allied with the United States of America. It would be the Anglo American world power.

larryjf · Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:51 am Post subject:

I think some of you might get a kick out of this...

Look at the parable of the fig tree (mat 24, mk 13, lk 21)

1948 – Israel is fig tree sprouted
“young” is at most 19 yrs – at 20 yrs considered “of age”
1948(Israel became nation) + 19 = 1967 – 6 day war
1967 – start of last generation
1 generation = 40 yrs
1967 + 40 = 2007 – year by which the 70th week will be fulfilled
Tribulation – 2004 (3 yrs prior to 70th week fulfillment)

In Christ

Pedro · Newbie Alert Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 1

I'm very new to examining Revelations, but I came across an article by Lawrence M. Nelson at http://www.biblerevelations.org/antichrist/theantichrist.htm.
I'm sure there's a lot of people who will be extremely upset with his conclusions, but he does tie his conclusions to passages in the bible. Being new to bible study it is difficult for me to dispute any of his comments. I would be greatly interested in other peoples response to this article

larryjf · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:34 am Post subject:

Very interesting articles.
I agreed with much of what was said.
The only thing that I found in error was his stating that Jesus was crucified in 31 AD. I think this is an important thing since the bible teaches that He was crucified in 32AD and prophecy points to that date...

Dan 9:25 prophecy
7 sevens – 49 years
62 sevens – 434 years
434 + 49 = 483
483 years from March 14, 445BC (Atraxerxes decree to rebuild Jerusalem)
Babylonian calendar is 360 day calendar
483 x 360 = 173,880 --> April 6, 32AD

29AD – Jesus starts His ministry
- Lk 3:23 says “about 30 years of age”
- Lk 3:1 says “15th year of Tiberias Caesar” He was baptized
Tiberias Caesar became emperor on Aug 19, 14AD
14AD + 15th year = 29AD
29AD + 3 years of ministry = 32AD crucifixion

philer · Little Goldfish Joined: 13 Feb 2003 Posts: 54

It is my understanding that the european union has a great deal to do with the beast. What i find fascinating are the underlying trends towards the mark of the beast and the anti-christ that seem to be in large ignored. The intent to create national ids,a one world money system which i believe is electronic or simply put done through computers. biusnesses opting to direct deposit paychecks instead of issuing checks. supermarkets that no longer accept paper currency only cards. supermarkets that are working directly with banks to offer discounts to your personal account. little by little these things are growing and are going to merge into some form of system that will change the way things are done now,but most people seem oblivious to them.

We have laws that protect the freedom of religion,yet the intent of corporate america is to disregard these laws forcing those who keep the sabbath go without jobs. Fortune 500 companies that support companies that will not hire you if you dont atleast break the sabbath once a month. At this time because cash is still available those who keep the sabbath are able ,but when the system reaches an electronic state,you wont be able to buy sell or trade without this number of a bank account. sabbath keepers will be easily exposed and persecuted,because combined with this economic system ,the bible predicts a one world religion as well,and sabbath keepers will be easily detected. I believe the number of a man is a bank account number a.k.a national id. what do you think?.

Ron · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 10:30 am Post subject:

Hello all,

Much of what I have read here seem to be quite fanciful notions and not in keeping with Scripture.

In simple terms the "beast" is all of evil as rad it described in the Bible. It is not a particular individual but all those that follow evil.

The "antichrist" is all who do not believe Jesus is the Christ. That includes everyone of this mindset. Again, this is not an individual but all who subscribe to that notion.

I have learned seven principles of Bible study. I actually made a bookmark with these printed on it to remind me!

1) Do not read into God's Word what you want to find. We must align our life to God's Word, not God's Word to our life.

2) Discover the original intent of the author. Scripture should never be construed to mean something it could never have meant to the writer and its original readers.

3) Not every verse applies directly to us. Read 1 Thessalonians 5:26. Many cultures today do not use a kiss on the lips as a greeting, but in the first century this was common practice in the Gentile churches. Paul was communicating an expression of brotherly love.

4) Always read the verse or passage in its context. This principle is arguably the most important. God's Word was never meant t be read as stand-alone verses.

5) Check for references to past, present, or future tense. Many things are time-specific, as well as culturally specific (#3).

6) Any truth must be established upon the balance of Scripture. A truth in God's Word is never established in isolation to the rest of Scripture. The Bible builds precept upon precept.

7) Ask questions. Who wrote the book? To whom was it written? Where was the writer writing from? In what time period and circumstance did the writer write? Why did the writer write the book? What was his intent?

A person gains much enlightenment from Scripture following these basic rules of study, along with asking prayerfully for understanding and with great meditation on the Word of God.
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"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:15

Yours in Christ with much love,
Ron

http://www.arkwebshost.com/theology/ron

Acerohombre · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 12:58 pm Post subject:

Ron
I am new here and I agree with most of what you say except

Ron · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:33 pm Post subject:

larryjf · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 7:26 pm Post subject:

If i'm not mistaken the word "antichrist" is nowhere in the book of Revelation.

Isn't that right?

Ron · Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:31 pm Post subject: