Alcoholic beverages

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

Maybe we can talk about something different.

What is everyone's view on alcoholic beverages? Some people believe it's ok as long as it is done in moderation. Others believe that drinking alcoholic beverages is forbidden. And others believe there are no restrictions.

What's everyone's opinion on what the Bible has to say?

Matdvd · Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2003 7:58 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

I guess it would depend on whether Jesus actually made wine, or whether the party guests just really loved His quality Hi-C product...

I think the evil of drunkeness and the slippery slope of drinking are quite documented, but do believe that alcoholic wine was a staple of their culture....probably due to the lack of refrigeration.

But let's not say that eating is a sin, just because glutony is.

That's how I interpret it.

Tiger75 · Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2003 2:26 am Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

Whilst I don't think 'drinking' is wrong (for Paul did say to Timothy a little wine is good for the stomach) I do think there is a distinct relationship in scripture between those that don't partake of alcoholic beverages and those that want to be close to God.

A few examples:

Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Numbers 6:3
He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

Numbers 28:7
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.

Deuteronomy 14:26
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Deuteronomy 29:6
Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.

Judges 13:4
Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Judges 13:7
But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

Judges 13:14
She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

1 Samuel 1:15
And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 31:4
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Isaiah 5:11
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!

Isaiah 5:22
Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

Isaiah 24:9
They shall not drink wine with a song; strong drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.

Isaiah 28:7
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

Isaiah 29:9
Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

Isaiah 56:12
Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

Micah 2:11
If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, saying, I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink; he shall even be the prophet of this people.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2003 2:56 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

I believe God gave us our reasoning faculties to enable us to know what is best for ourselves as individuals, and to make quality decisions based on that knowlege.

What's best for one of us may not be good for all the others. On an issue like this, rather than try to apply a law across the board for everybody, we each need to know how to apply our common sense.

Cheers!

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

By Matdvd:

quote:
I guess it would depend on whether Jesus actually made wine, or whether the party guests just really loved His quality Hi-C product...

According to the official of the wedding feast, it was the best wine he ever tasted.

quote:

I think the evil of drunkeness and the slippery slope of drinking are quite documented, but do believe that alcoholic wine was a staple of their culture....probably due to the lack of refrigeration.

I tend to agree. Since the grape harvest is in the Autumn and the Passover is in the Spring, any grape juice that was collected in the Autumn harvest would, of necessity, ferment and produce wine.

quote:

But let's not say that eating is a sin, just because glutony is.

Very good point.

Da Blonde Bombshell · Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:19 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

I once heard a Baptist Preacher insist Jesus didn't really change the water into wine, but instead into grape juice. That cracked me up.

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admin · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:37 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

*Looking for bible reference to Zima*

Ryck · Lion King Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Posts: 1094

By Da Blonde Bombshell:

quote:
I once heard a Baptist Preacher insist Jesus didn't really change the water into wine, but instead into grape juice. That cracked me up.

That would crack me up too. I wonder what that Baptist preacher was drinking when he said that? LOL

Magnum PI · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 5:46 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

quote:
Originally posted by admin:
*Looking for bible reference to Zima*

Zima?

How about Smirnoff Ice Triple Black!?! Just tried that a few weeks ago and it knocks the socks off Zima and its predecessor - Smirnoff 'Ice'. It's even a contender for Skyy Blue.

*CHEERS*

MPI

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Magnum PI · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 5:47 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

quote:
Originally posted by Zathrus:
I believe God gave us our reasoning faculties to enable us to know what is best for ourselves as individuals, and to make quality decisions based on that knowlege.

What's best for one of us may not be good for all the others. On an issue like this, rather than try to apply a law across the board for everybody, we each need to know how to apply our common sense.

Cheers!

Bloody well said old Chap!

MPI

Da Blonde Bombshell · Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:33 pm Post subject: Alcoholic beverages

quote:
Originally posted by Ryck:
By Da Blonde Bombshell:
That would crack me up too. I wonder what that Baptist preacher was drinking when he said that? LOL

He was kind of in denial; his dad was an alky and that led him to the ministry. He was a nice guy though. His wife, though, was something else. She had a Marilyn Quayle flip hairdo and looked like a 1950s cartoon of a nurse, which she was. She had been raised by John Birch Society members (extreme right-wingers who believe everybody who disagress with them are "commonissts". We freaked her out one time when we told her my Dad (liberal Methodist minister) thought it was hard to be both a Christian and a Republican, which he did. One of their kids works in a convenience store and is also some kind of unpublished poet; the other one's this butchy deputy sheriff who's had several police brutality complaints against her.

dole · Tadpole Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 27

Drinking alcohol in and of itself isn't a sin.
However, being drunk is a sin (Ephesians 5:18).
So, as long as you don't become drunk and you are of legal age, it's not wrong.
Unless of course, you cause someone to stumble by doing so. If a weaker Christian went over to the minister's house and saw a 6-pack in his fridge, that could be very misleading to the new Christian. Paul calls it a stumbling block, and in my opinion there is no better word for it.
If you don't drink, then you don't have to worry about getting drunk or making people stumble.

Earlier, someone said "I believe God gave us our reasoning faculties to enable us to know what is best for ourselves as individuals, and to make quality decisions based on that knowlege[sic]." I agree. However, I wouldn't take this to mean whatever we decide for ourselves is the truth. Our reasoning faculties are very often wrong and need to be examined in light of what God has said. Man's wisdom on its best day doesn't even compare to God's "worst" wisdom.

Phinehas · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Alcoholic beverages

Nobby · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:02 pm Post subject: Just a note!

Please, Let us try to avoid using denominations names, unless we speak of our own.
Or our personal negative stories, even tho you don't post names, is downgrading someone's character!
Many people read these posts, you never know you might talking
to them and don't know it!
I know we've done a lot of this in the past. But we got to change!
DEBATE THE POST NOT THE POSTER!

Don't get me wrong, you can tell someone you don't believe the way they do. After all, that's what a debate forum does, DEBATE!
A place to bring out all of your knowledge, & YES! Also your feelings on a matter, if it"s an opinion, then just say so!
Don't put something down as fact! Unless you can prove it!

Thank you my frinds, Smile

Nobby

L.alburito · Not So Newbie Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 6

alcohol is a classic example of a benificial substance that is subject to abuse. the alcohlisim in this country is a embarrasement . yet all of our political leader accept huge "donations", and lobby for the liquor industry. there is biblical support for moderate use of alcohol such as wine. there is medical evidence that low use of alcohol is good for the circulatory system. but steady larger use of alcohol enlarges the heart, among other deterioration. it seems impossible to predict accurately who will be the one to be addicted. so anyone using wine will be wise to be very careful