THE TRINITY IS BALONEY !!!

OMEGA3 · Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: THE TRINITY IS BALONEY !!!

JESUS said that God the Father is ONE person.

God said that He will POUR OUT His spirit.

Jesus said that it is a GIFT given to man from god.

It is the Downpayment or Ernest of the Spirit which is a small amount

gven once to man.

We have the Mind of Christ.

Jesus went up to God and gave his Mind Spriit to God the Father

and it was sent down to man as the Holy Sprirt .
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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

OMEGA,

I like the way you think! I agree with your post.
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FM2U · Tadpole Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 21

going to a new topic

M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

I don't think there's any baloney there.

www.loveofchrist.info/theology/trinity.html

Regards,
Paul

FFT · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:20 am Post subject:

Any arguments involving religion as logical are baloney.

Basically, the argument on that website is:

A: "God is above logic"
B: "No evidence is necessary to believe in God"
C: "There is evidence for God"
D: "It is logical to believe in God"

Make up your mind.
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M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

I noticed belatedly that you quoted Thomas Jefferson. Therefore, I'd like to quote Jefferson also.

On March 4, 1805 President Jefferson prayed a National Prayer for Peace:

"Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners."

"Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues."

"Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whome in Thy Name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of earth."

"In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen."

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

There are three individual beings in the Bible, The Father, creator, Almighty God, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit. These three the Bible talks about, it does not talk about these three being one God or trinity. This is man made doctrine established by the pagan members of the early church, and still influencing your church today. I call it your church because I am not a Pagan, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, as prophesied in the Old Testament.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

A messiah that is not divine? How can that be?
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MoJo · Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject:

Deja vu

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Tony · Growing Guppy Joined: 06 May 2005 Posts: 40

As Rev and Mojo will concur, the arguments for and against the doctrine of the trinity has been debated to death not just here on this forum, but in many many places and occasions for well over 17 centurys. Its a rarity that anyone from either pursuasion will step over into the other 'camp'.

My recently learned choice of response to trinity debates is not to respond, questions - yes, debates- no. My 'camp' is that of the anti-trinitarians as some well know and it is my opinion that debates on the trinity just go around and around and usually ends up in an unpleasant slanging match....
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M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

M Paul · Tadpole Joined: 09 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

Opps, I forgot to add a historical quote with my last post. How about Benjamin Franklin this time.

Benjamin Franklin Requests Prayer in the Constitutional Convention
June 28, 1787
Mr. President [to George Washington]
The small progress we have made after 4 or five weeks close attendance & continual reasonings with each other-our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ays, is methinks a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the Human Understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of Government, and examined the different forms of those Republics which having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution now no longer exist. And we have viewed Modern States all round Europe, but find none of their Constitutions suitable to our circumstances.
In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.- Our prayers, Sir, were heard, & they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service-
Mr. [Roger] SHERMAN seconded the motion.
Mr. [Alexander] HAMILTON & several others expressed their apprehensions that however proper such a resolution might have been at the beginning of the convention, it might at this late day, I bring on it some disagreeable animadversions. & lead the public to believe that the embarrassments and dissensions within the Convention, had suggested this measure. It was answered by Docr. F. Mr. SHERMAN & others, that the past omission of a duty could not justify a further omission-that the rejection of such a proposition would expose the Convention to more unpleasant animadversions than the adoption of it: and that the alarm out of doors that might be excited for the state of things within, would at least be as likely to do good as ill.
Mr. WILLIAMSON, observed that the true cause of the omission could not be mistaken. The Convention had no funds.
Mr. RANDOLPH proposed in order to give a favorable aspect to ye. measure, that a sermon be preached at the request of the convention on 4th of July, the anniversary of Independence; & thenceforward prayers be used in ye. Convention every morning. Dr. FRANKn. 2ded. this motion After several unsuccessful attempts for silently postponing the matter by adjourng. the adjournment was at length carried, without any vote on the motion.

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

First I have to say scripture does not claim any trinity, not even in John I:I.

I cannot post all the resources I have on pagans and their culture and religions. To much and to many. I can post some. You have a mind and you can check the rest yourself.

Sumerians, which flourished over 4,000 years ago, was overthrown first by Assyria, and then by Babylon, its gods lived on in the cultures of those who conquered. The historian S. H. Hooke tells in detail of the ancient Sumerian trinity: anu was the primary god of heaven, the 'father' and the 'King of Gods', Enlil, the 'wind god' was the god of the earth, and a creator god; and Enki was the god of waters and the 'lord of wisdom' The historian, H. W. F. Saggs, explains that the Bablonian triad cconsisted of 'three gods of roughly equal rank, whose inter- relationship is of the essence of their natures.

George Hart, lecturer for the British Museum and professor of ancient Egyptian heiroglyphics at the University of London, shows how Egypt believed in 'transcendental, above creation, and preexisting one, the god Amun, Amun was really three gods in one, Re was his face, Ptah his body, and Amun his hidden identity. The well known historian Will Durant concurs that Ra, Amon and Ptah were combined as three embodiments or aspects of one supreme and triune deity.

The historical lecturer, Jesse Benedict Carter tells us of the Etruscans. As they slowly passed from Babylon through Greece and went on to Rome, they brought with them their trinity of tinia, Uni and Menerva. This trinity was a new idea to the Romans, and yet it became so typical of Rome, that it quickly spread throughout Italy. Even the names of the Roman trinity: Jupiter, Juno and Minerva reflect the ancestry. That Christianity was not ashamed to borrow from pagan culture is amply shown by Durant 'Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it. (Caesar 595)

Works cited; The Bible. Burns, Eugene. The Doctrine of Christ. Caesor and Christ Simon. 1944 Vol 3 The Story of Civilization II, Fortman, Edmund The Triune God, Hooke, S. H. Babylonian and Assyrian Religion,
Hornung, Erik, Conceptions of God in Ancient Egypt; The One and the Many, Durant, Will Our Oriental Heritage, etc, and etc. I'm not going to post all the rest. I will if you want more.