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FM2U
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Hi all
The number 7 in the bible refers Godly perfection, or being complete.
The number 6 refers to imperfection ( falling short of perfection)
The number 6 repeated 3 times, is for emphises. ( That is why Satan , has that number.) |
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Adam_Love
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: |
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(Rev 13:18 from the 1958 Amplified New Testament):
| Quote: | | Here is [room for] discernment [a call for the wisdom of interpretation]. Let anyone who has intelligence (penetration and insight enough) calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number [the number of a certain man]; his number is six-hundred sixty six. |
εξακοσιοι εξηκοντα εξ is "six-hundred sixty six". Notably, some early Greek texts read "six-hundred ten six", that is, 616.
Why was the specific number 666 (or 616) chosen for this passage? The wording clearly indicates that some effort and calculation will be needed, and that something isn't directly obvious without applying this "wisdom".
Since it says "calculate this number" in one place, but then goes on to say "[the] number is 666", there is a contradiction: what would the reader have to calculate if the writer gives away the answer in the next phrase?
666 in Roman numerals (DCLXVI) was often used as a generic way of referring to any unspecified or unknown large number. (616 would have been similar, DCXVI).
"DCLXVI" is a Roman slang way of saying "any big long number", like our colloquial slang zillion, because big numbers in Roman numerals always end up being long unmanagable strings with lots of different letters in them.
Thus, the writer of Revelation might have been using "666" to mean "an unspecified or unknown large number"
This makes sense because of the fact that the writer says wisdom is needed to calculate the number: if he were giving the number explicitly, you wouldn't need any wisdom to calculate it. He is saying that the number of the beast is large, unknown and unspecified, but if you have wisdom or insight you might be able to figure out what it is.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/math/numbers-8.html#l676 |
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Adam_Love
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 666 in Roman numerals (DCLXVI) was often used as a generic way of referring to any unspecified or unknown large number. (616 would have been similar, DCXVI). |
It's as if the author of Revelations is saying "and the beasts name is ABCDEFG".
If that was the case, you wouldn't necessarily go around looking for people named "ABCDEFG".
666 = DCLXVI
616= DCXVI
If you know your Roman numerals you can take a second to see what's going on here:
I=1. the next letter up is V
V=5 the next letter is X
X=10 and so on and so forth.
L=50, C=100, D=500
500+100+50+10+5+1
or for 616 500+100+10+5+1 (they just left out the 50)
They're just listing all the numbers they have, in order from the highest to lowest. |
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joman
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Jim Stevenson wrote: | | by the way, in my life i've heard and seen, where people were able to makee 666 mean, ronald reagan, hitler, nero, caligula, many different popes or the catholic church, the protestant church, stalin, a.v. lenon, all man kind, a rebirthed alexander the great, and my favorite, the lenon who lived in a yellow submarine; . |
This is true.
But, it brings up a relevant issue.
Seeings as that God foresaw the situation that his children would encounter in the last days; How do you think he has planned on the wise grasping the truth concerning Revelation 13:18?
Come on Jim…your premise implies that Christians are wasting their time in the quest for understanding and counting of the name.
By the way, people can make the Bible read any thing they wish it to say with a word change here and there as they see fit. Do you get my drift? The answer to the riddle is in the AV Bible and no where else. It isn’t a number game at all! In the true Bible, God defines his own definitions! He doesn’t rely on outside sources. He already knows what’s hidden in the darkness. He knows what the, so called, deep things of Satan are. And, guess what? They ain’t deep! God hides the truth in plain sight! That’s why the devils never tire of misleading people into false bibles. A little whittle here, a little whittle there, who cares..eh? Remove the foundation and the silly Christians will still believe they’ve got a grip on truth. Can you imagine a person who trembles at God’s word changing his words?
First off, it is a grievous error to think the number 666 is what God is talking about, it is not. I say grievous because, any error in this matter will undo the request of God that inspired it’s mention in Revelation 13.
The reason the number is six hundred, sixty and six, is so that to understand it, the wise will do the word study of each mumber. This is only a step in the right direction. Reaper is on the right track but, he get’s stuck in the anti-trinitarianism thing and what ever else. Please, take the number “six hundred” and check out how God uses it in the AV Bible.
Then take the number “sixty”.
Then the number “six”.
The AV Bible only uses numbers like these in specific ways.
Joman.
Ps. Did you folks know that all the "cells" of cellular technology are "six sided (geographically)" and that each cell has "666 channels"?
Do you know why the number is being used by the powers that be?
Clue: The frequency (in angstroms) of the process of photosynthesis is quite close to 666.
Clue: Mankind is forced to use the number six because, no other whole number is available to make time consideration practical for the common man of society. And, of course you realize that God who put the stars, the sun and the planets in the sky is responsible for forcing us to use the number six with respect to time.
Clue: The antichrist want to change laws and times so you can't figure anything out. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The answer to the riddle is in the AV Bible and no where else. |
Joman, as a favor to us, define AV. What exactly are YOU referring to when you reference the AV?
Then, explain how and where you get the understaning that only the AV is God's Holy Inspired Word.
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Nobby
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes joman, I think it's time also. I like & use the KJV bible a lot. But to blantly say it is the only bible that is correct. I think that is stretching it just a bit!
To say the least. You've made the statement, so prove it!  
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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joman,
no, i really wasn't trying to say we are wasting our time by searching for the answer to the mystery. i enjoy it myself.
i'm just saying in these issues, in my opinion, dogma's must try to be avoided. jim. |
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Stokey
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 3:59 am Post subject: |
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We're told that "six hundred and sixty-six" is the number of the "wild beast" and is a "man's" number.--Revelation 13:18.
As we know, six is one short of the perfect number seven. Hence, this number by being both an imperfect human's number and an imperfect number compared to seven, shows the gross or intensified imperfection of global human rulership, the global political system under the control of Satan. (13:2) It behaves as a wild beast would that had escaped from a zoo and was terrorising the community.
Jehovah God tolerates this rule temporarily according to his purpose. (Romans 13:1, 2) Its purpose is to make war with God's people who have the work of observing God's commands and preaching the good news of the established kingdom by Christ Jesus our Lord in 1914.--Revelation 12:17-13:2, 7, 8, 10, 14.
Notice that the 144,000 don't accept the "mark" of the beast on their foreheads, but rather the names Jehovah and Jesus.--14:1.
Regards,
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joman
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:56 am Post subject: |
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RevJP,
| Joman wrote: | | The answer to the riddle is in the AV Bible and no where else. |
| RevJP wrote: | Joman, as a favor to us, define AV. What exactly are YOU referring to when you reference the AV?
Then, explain how and where you get the understanding that only the AV is God's Holy Inspired Word. |
The AV is the Authorized Version of the scriptures in english, for the english speaking people of the world.
It is what you would call the King James Version of the holy scriptures. It wasn’t completed in 1611 but, was submitted to the review of the common readers. It has been in consistent use for about 400 years.
I was led to Jesus through the reading of the Gospel according to John. When I got to John 3:16 I had already decided that whatever Jesus says is the truth and so, when I came to “whosoever will” I included myself and believed on Jesus. As I read through the Gospel of John I came to the truth that Jesus had given me the Holy Spirit and that I have no need of any other teacher. I believed that the Bible I was reading was the word of God to me. I was very careful to inspect it and have never found it to be in error of any kind. I have faced many complications and apparent contradictions but, I have depended upon Jesus to in his time make known truth to me. He has done this in most areas of my concerns and intrests and I’am convinced of the Authorized Version’s inerrancy. I do not preach the reading of the AV as supposed. Instead I use it for myself and do not measure anything purported to be God’s word without reference to it’s authority. I have never found an example of word substitution that improved the understanding of the AV Bible.
You once gave example, “Suffer the little children to come unto me…”. No substitute for “suffer” is better. The reason is because “suffer” tells us that no matter how troublesome children are we should bear with them as God bears with us. They are a burden at times and we indeed “suffer” their behavior but, God commands us to hang in there. Suffer doesn’t only mean “allow” or “let”. God’s word is often a word that has layers of meaning. This is an example. If we use “allow” we can only express permission. This command is followed by “hinder them not”. If the main definition is--let the little children come to me—then hinder them not would not add anything of much value. But, when we accept that God’s choice is “suffer” then we see that suffer adds a dimension to the whole of the verse and there isn’t any redundancy for redundancy’s sake. It’s sort of like you and I suffering each other don’t ya think?
In this thread I point out that if some of you will on your own search out how the Lord uses the word “six hundred”, “sixty”, “six”, “sixty and six”, and “six hundred sixty and six” you will receive revelation concerning the meaning of the mark of the beast. I could just explain it for you but, then it seems everyone just opinionates and fails to realize the power of such word studies in the QV Bible.
Let me give you another example.
“Convert” or “converted”.
It might be thought that they equate to the word salvation or belief or some other word. But, upon inspection you’ll discover that God only uses this word in a strict and limited way. And, this is common in the AV Bible.
| Quote: | | Isaiah 6:10 “Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.” |
Here to “convert” is the result of thin walled hearts, tuned in ears, open eyes, hearing ears, and understanding heart. And, note that “healing” doesn’t occur until the conversion occurs.
| Quote: | James 5:19 “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
(20) Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.” |
Here “convert” is used to specify someone who returns to truth from error. It is not the outcome of salvation but it is that which leads to salvation.
| Quote: | | Psalm 51:13 “Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.” |
Again, teaching leads to being “converted”.
| Quote: | | Matthew 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted, and become as as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” |
Here to be “converted” is necessary “before” a person can enter the kingdom of heaven.
| Quote: | | Luke 22:31 “And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, Behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (32) But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when you art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” |
Here Peter is prophesied to be “converted” after Satan sifts him. The sifting is the process that reveals what is left when all the excess is taken away. The revealing is what exposes the truth and can lead to being “converted” if faith is maintained throughout.
| Quote: | | Acts 3:19 “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of Lord;” |
Here we find that “repentance” is required for being “converted.
So convert means to change (repent) your thinking and allow yourself (thin walled heart) to see, hear, and understand what God is saying. Then you will be able to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Rules out opinion.
Joman. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Joman, do you take the bible dates at the top of each page to be inerrant as well? Curious about this. 
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Magicsilence
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | Joman, do you take the bible dates at the top of each page to be inerrant as well? Curious about this. |
seems to have ignored your question, hehe.
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James1-26
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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I think 666 will be the person who figures out what 666 means.
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joman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Mojo wrote: | | Joman, do you take the bible dates at the top of each page to be inerrant as well? Curious about this |
No I do not.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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So we should be looking for:
six hundred-
sixty-
six
did you come up with anything?
lone |
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Rosered
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Hi sis , you said So we should be looking for:
six hundred-
sixty-
six
did you come up with anything?
well i saw somthin a while back and told Kim ,
Kim and I discussed this on the phone once Lone
but first this thought
Adonikam = "my lord arose"
1) the'' head of an Israelite'' clan who returned from ''exile''
Ezr 2:13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
Ezr 8:13 And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names [are] these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them '''threescore males.''['60]
Neh 7:18 The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and ''seven.''
notice the One added ? the Lord arose ha ! the main ONE
but solomon which means ''peace'' and the temple was dedicated and built for God through him , was gold ''truth''
and He had all this Widsom from God , gold truth yet it could not save Him sis , the weight of 666
the pagan wives and the idols he chose over the Truth and spent the Gold
1Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [that] his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as [was] the heart of David his father.
Just like the prodical son in Jesus parable ...
1Ki 10:14 Now the weight of gold that ''came to Solomon in one year'''
was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold, 666 ...
he had everything but Lacked the Love for , of God in Him thats what saves us to me , he was not perfect in Love
and the prodical son suffered and came back home
its somthing Jesus Said about solmon sis , that got me
Luk 12:27 Consider the lilies ''how they grow'':
they toil not, they spin not;
and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in'' all his glory '''
was not arrayed like one of these. so i looked up Lilies and saw they were upright , white ones Trumpets declaring their Love for God , no spinning and toiling just Glorifying God in Love and true Peace
Jesus came to Show the Love of the Father and His son , to me that what i saw in this sis ,
just me seeing it this way , many will see it differnt
Love in Him , rose
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