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Silver Surfer
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| RevJP wrote: | | Oh, I understand now! It means whatever we want it to mean in order to push forth our own pet theories... |
You mean like Sunday worship services, which the Roman Catholic church establishes and supports, and to which the Christian world bows down to ?
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"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....Fromthe beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).
"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they shouldworship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).
"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).
"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Gee, I guess it is a good thing I'm not Protestant... 
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| my grandmother was 7th day advnt. she was a good lady who endured a lot of scorn and persecution from her own family because of her beliefs. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Gee, I guess it is a good thing I'm not Protestant... :P |
I'll bet your still loyal to the Pope though, huh ?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| jim stevenson wrote: | | my grandmother was 7th day advnt. she was a good lady who endured a lot of scorn and persecution from her own family because of her beliefs. |
Revelation 12:17 "And the dragon(Satan) was wroth (Angry ) with the woman, and went to make [war] with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".
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RevJP
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'll bet your still loyal to the Pope though, huh ? |
See, this is the difference between you and I. I have faith and trust in Jesus Christ. I am a christian because my reliance is on HIM.
You on the other hand put your faith and trust in religion. Your entire self-righteousness revolves around religious belief and practice, what you can do to gain your own salvation, how your religous beliefs are better than those of someone else's.
Am I loyal to the Pope? I have never been so I cannot be now. My loyalty resides in Christ not in men and the things of man. Too bad you cannot honestly say the same.
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| preach on, brother, preach on. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Yet, you disbelieve the very words He said: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" |
See, this is the difference between you and I. I have faith and trust in Jesus Christ. [/quote][color=blue] Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
| Quote: | | I am a christian because my reliance is on HIM. |
And Christ allows Christians to commit sin ?
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You on the other hand put your faith and trust in religion. Your entire self-righteousness revolves around religious belief and practice, what you can do to gain your own salvation, how your religous beliefs are better than those of someone else's. |
You believe this discribes me.....
1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[quoteAm I loyal to the Pope? I have never been so I cannot be now. [/quote] Whe you understand Romans 6:16.....
Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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Nobby
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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JP, I'm a Protestant, I guess that puts me on PT's list. 
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joman
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | EU: the revived Roman empire? |
I think this is a good topic to discuss. But, some say that it's a waste of time. If you think it is a waste of time then why not let others debate it in peace?
The reason that we can begin to understand these things is because the time is right. Many run to and fro and knowledge has been exponentially increased. Think about the way the skyways and highways look at night as vehicles streak to and fro. Think about the massive amounts of data transferring over digital lines, and the soon to be fiber optic lines of light reaching into every home. What did God say to Daniel? Seal up the book. Forever? No!
| AV wrote: | Daniel 12:4-5
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
But thou. O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." |
How literal this has becom! Amazing isn't it? You see? The book has been opened to the wise of heart. Why? Because the time has come and we are very close my brethren. And, God wrote these things for a time and a purpose, for a witness to the wise and the foolish even forever and ever.
So, why mock the notion that, the understanding of the image of the beast in Daniel, along with many other things, is ours if we are wise enough to desire to know? The thing to keep in mind, although many resist this fact, is that the AV Bible holds the key. The images and the types and the signs can be understood because we have the Holy Ghost who will lead us into all truth. Isn't that so? And, in the AV you will discover that the interpretations are made for us so that we need not trust to the opinions of any. It is the time because the sign of Daniel 12:5 is easily recognized. They run to and fro now. Knowledge is increasing right now. Let us who can learn, run to and fro with the news of what God will soon do.
Joman.
Ps. Compare with the NIV and the NASB and note the weakening of this vital sign of the end!
The NIV "Many will go here and there to increase knowledge".
No running in this description. No sense of urgency, exitement or speed!
the NASB "Many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."
Same problem. Also, "to and fro" is different than, "back and forth". One is the motion of a pendulum only useful for marking time. "To and fro" is the accurate description of the flow of people and information on every usable highway available today. |
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theseldomscene
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | JP, I'm a Protestant, I guess that puts me on PT's list. :? |
But, you're a smart protestant, who loves Jesus Christ enough to change ?
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Nobby
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi PT,
| Quote: | | But, you're a smart protestant, who loves Jesus Christ enough to change ? |
It's funny you should you should mention change! That's what our Sunday night service has been about for the last two weeks. 
But I'm afraid it was about a different kind of change than you speak of.
Our Pastor was teaching that our church, along with others were afraid of change. This is the way we have always did it!!!
& you're right I do love Jesus to change.
Since I am disabled everyday is a day of rest. Every day I worship God.
So there us know I can miss worshiping Him on the Sabbeth day. 
God's Blessing,
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | Hi PT,
| Quote: | | But, you're a smart protestant, who loves Jesus Christ enough to change ? |
It's funny you should you should mention change! That's what our Sunday night service has been about for the last two weeks. :D
But I'm afraid it was about a different kind of change than you speak of.
Our Pastor was teaching that our church, along with others were afraid of change. This is the way we have always did it!!! :? :D
& you're right I do love Jesus to change.
Since I am disabled everyday is a day of rest. Every day I worship God.
So there us know I can miss worshiping Him on the Sabbeth day. :wink:
God's Blessing, |
Everybody is afraid of change.
In the case of surrendering oneself, to God ....absolutely, totally, without once ounce of reservation, is what faith in Jesus Christ, is all about !
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