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MoJo
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Babylon the great has had many lovers. It's not inconceivable that America is the latest. But what number horn of the ten would america be? If america is the beast like a lamb with two horns, then the other horn would have to be Britain. 
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TheMessenger
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| jim stevenson wrote: | sorry star, but i guess you can nickname me the paperboy, but, what if (just supposing), the u.s. in the revelation is the scarlet beast with 10 horns and 7 heads (representing the nations power) that great w.h.o.r.e sat upon. (rev.17-18 ) the great w.h.o.r.e being the american gov. because under our system of democracy women (the unsaved ones, not the sisters of in this discussion) rule because of their numbers, and control the gov. like the w.h.o.r.e sitting in the head of the great beast, and are demanding our form of democracy be spread all over the world (her drunken wine of adultry).
notice her raiment, how many nations could boast of such wealth. also how she is refered to as babylon, what was the kingdom of babylon but a mixture of many races, a melting pot, sound familiar?
not convinced? how about in the 18th chap. vs.4 how the voice from heaven called GOD'S people out before babylons final destruction. last thought, notice how babylon's fall is double. i.e. is fallen, is fallen; woe,woe;alas,alas;weeping and weeping; and the time frame: in one day, in one hour; her punishment:burned with fire. observe her merchandise. does anyone know who brokered a deal with the sudanese gov. to move the christians of the south by means of murder and slavery, so american oil companies could have first shot at the rich reservoir on their lands. |
I have underlined the sentence where you call America babylon. I have also taken the time to read through the rest of your posts once again. America is the only place you named to be babylon. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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messenger,
note the context. its a lot different than our current discussion, but even then i did not say the w**** was america, but the w**** did rule us and her vile, haunting spirit still does. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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messenger,
have you been to the enter forum section and seen the number of our post on this board. maybe we should add one more. i just did coz it was 666 |
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Hey, thanks jim!
Well, here ya go. My thoughts on the harlot Babylon, and the beast she rides on:
| i wrote: | Without getting too lengthy...
I understand that Babylon of today is a thing of the mind and heart of man. Babylon represents man's desire to rule himself and to gain personal power through things worldly. Nimrod, the first mighty man after the Great Flood, founded the city of Babylon(Gen 10). The Tower of Babel shows man's first attempt as a mass to institutionalize God, and make a name for themselves (Gen 11).
The king of Babylon at it's greatest was Nebuchadnezzar, who was told by the word of God to be the king of kings and the head of gold of the kingdoms of mankind ( Dan 2:36-38 ). That mankind itself, and every kingdom after his rule, was in the king of Bayblon's hands, and that he will be ruler over them all.
Until... of course... we get to Revelation 18.
But let's step back a notch and look at Rev 17 and the prostitute that rides on the beast, holding the gloden cup, and titled <edited> : Mystery--Babylon the Great--The Mother Of Prostitues--And Of The Abominations Of The Earth
This prostitute sits on peoples, multitudes, nations and kingdoms. All those who are still living in Babylon under king Nebuchadnezzar's rule. Namely, those that are without Christ and thrive to gain their own personal glory through worldly things and desires.
Babylon of today is a religion. A religion that is based in the heart of natural man, a heart that the Lord proclaims that every inclination of the thoughts are evil all the time (Gen 6:4). Babylon itself, I believe, is the society of man. Or what man has built up to be society.
God gave man the entire world... and man decided to not spread out, but instead to build densly populated cities (Genesis). God gave man the laws to live righteously (Exodus 20)... then God gave man laws on how to live neighborly (Leviticus)... and man built up their own societies with their own laws that do not glorify God in the least, but the heart of man.
The result is The great society: Bablyon the Great! Yet, the people will not be united in this society in the last days (Dan 2:43) for the rulers will be senseless (Job 12:24) and believers in Christ will not sway towards the fall of worldly gains, for you cannot serve two masters (Mat 6:24). |
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| Quote: | Wisdom suggests to me that the scarlet covered beast that the prostitute rides is the pride of man in all it's glory: corruption.
Isaiah 1:4 "Ah, sinful nation, a people loaded with guilt, a brood of evildoers, children given to corruption! They have forsaken the LORD; they have spurrned the Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on Him."
The beast is covered in scarlet to represent the sins of the pride of man.
Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD, "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool."
The beast itself is not a kingdom, but the very foundation of the seven nations * (hills) with the seven kings (heads), and the ten kings with no kingdoms (horns).
* Edited "Nations" for "Kingdoms". My bad...
Rev 17:9 "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings..."
Rev 17:11 "The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth <edited> king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."
The beast itself is then a king that has reigned from his beginning, because he was, then is not, then is to come again... but to go to his destruction. He is said to belong to the other seven because he is their very foundation. He is their very ruler. He is the one who was told by the Lord that he will rule over the seven kingdoms of mankind until the Lord's return. The beast is the king of kings.
Rev 17:16 "The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."
The beast hates the harlot because the beast is out for self satisfaction. Without the harlot, where would the beast's glory rest? Man's pride is in his worldly possesions and wealth. Without them, man is just that... man. Man must achieve in the eyes of man by way of works to feed his pride... so that he may boast. The higher the achiever... the larger the boasts.
But corruption is a much easier path for man to walk for greater boasts. The corrupt man is the lazy man. He thinks and speaks not on his own. He relies on the council of men to know what is correct. He hates to maintain his worldly glory, for it all decays and he must work harder in the eyes of man to make greater achievements. Therefore, he hates the very thing that glorifies himself. |
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| i wrote: | The Beast out of the Earth (My interpretation)
This beast comes out of the earth, meaning to me that it represents a kingdom... a great nation. I believe that this beast having "two horns like a lamb..." is a representation of the way the great nation is projected to govern itself. A nation whose authority is set up by a representation of two leaders, not one. Therefore it is not a kingdom run by a king. Yet the authority is "spoken like a dragon"... projected as a sole king projects his authority.
This beast exercises all of the authority of the first beast... the authority being corruption itself... in full view of men... and made the earth and its inhabitants worship this particular corruption by way of miraculous force that could not be denied. This beast, in its corrupt way, gives breath to the image of the power of it's corruption... meaning it sets up a product of it's evil power. This beast... this great nation which worships the corruption of man, will give seat to the king of kings... the perfect image of the corruption of man... the third beast which is spoken of in Rev 17. |
I hope it is not too long. The actual thread can be found here ---> Babylon
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:43 am Post subject: |
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mojo,
i haven't heard back from you. did you get my pm's. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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No, I didn't receive any PM's Jim. Something's gone wrong somewhere. Make sure that when you put my name into the username that you copy it exactly with caps and lowercase. Try again. I was wondering where you were.
Just to review, click "you have no new messages" at top of forums and on the first page that comes up click new reply, then enter username and subject and then write your message and then click submit.
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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
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mojo,
thanks. i think the problem was what i said in the pm. i guess you've already figured out computers are not my thing. |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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mojo,
did you receive it this time. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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got it, jim. You now have a pm.
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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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"PM".....hummm??  ........I wonder if thats anything like a "PU"....?? 
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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nobby,
in this case, probably. love you man. |
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James1-26
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | got it, jim. You now have a pm. |
But I didn't get one. 
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: United States in revelations |
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The Bible predicted the rise of the United States (Revelation 13), and how they will lead the world (Once they became the dominate world power) in the 'Mark of the Beast' scenerio, soon to come.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I've read in many places where Britain is Ephraim, and U.S is Mannasseh.
Gen 48:17 ¶ And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this [is] the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know [it], my son, I know [it]: he also shall become a people,(one nation) and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. (commonwealth of nations).
Gen 48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
that's what I've read anyways..
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