United States in revelations

Star · Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:59 pm Post subject:

lol! I'm sorry Mo I didnt mean to embarrass ya, sometimes I'm guilty of gushiness but its only a temporary thing, it passes lol! Laughing

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TheMessenger · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 5:15 am Post subject:

America is in the bible in the book of Daniel at 7:4 "The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a man, the heart of man was given to it." In order to view America here you have to think about where America's roots are. Ofcourse thats UK/Britain now ask yourself what animals is Britain and America known for. When placed in context with the rest of the dream and interpretation it is easy to see the dream is of the four powers of the end times times. The other three beasts are Russia, Asian Union, and Revived Roman Empire/Europian Union. If you look through history you will see the order is also allowed. Britain/America was the first truely global military/economic power of the 1900s then Russia followed by the Asians and Finally in the later part of the 1900s the EU has become a global force even though military wise the EU is still sub par but that wont be the case in 2 years if the EU keeps moving at the pace it has been.

I dont think America has much power in the final days because all of the major players are clearly named. I would have to say something big happens to America to remove it from the world stage. Personally I think the rapture will be the cause of America loseing its power. 3 out of 4 Americans follow some form of Christianity so just about the impact the rapture will have on the population of the USA.

The key to understanding what the signs mean is simply opening your mind . It is much easier for us than any other generation before us because of our great knowledge.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

sorry star, but i guess you can nickname me the paperboy, but, what if (just supposing), the u.s. in the revelation is the scarlet beast with 10 horns and 7 heads (representing the nations power) that great w.h.o.r.e sat upon. (rev.17-18 ) the great w.h.o.r.e being the american gov. because under our system of democracy women (the unsaved ones, not the sisters of in this discussion) rule because of their numbers, and control the gov. like the w.h.o.r.e sitting in the head of the great beast, and are demanding our form of democracy be spread all over the world (her drunken wine of adultry).
notice her raiment, how many nations could boast of such wealth. also how she is refered to as babylon, what was the kingdom of babylon but a mixture of many races, a melting pot, sound familiar?
not convinced? how about in the 18th chap. vs.4 how the voice from heaven called GOD'S people out before babylons final destruction. last thought, notice how babylon's fall is double. i.e. is fallen, is fallen; woe,woe;alas,alas;weeping and weeping; and the time frame: in one day, in one hour; her punishment:burned with fire. observe her merchandise. does anyone know who brokered a deal with the sudanese gov. to move the christians of the south by means of murder and slavery, so american oil companies could have first shot at the rich reservoir on their lands.

Nobby · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:

Hi jim stevenson,
Jim I just removed a double post, that's two tonight. I don't know what's causing it? Unless you're just pushing the submit button twice. Very Happy

THanks Jim,
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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

sorry brother, i certainly did not mean to do a double post. will try to be more careful. thank you.

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

yes nobby, there is a problem when i try to get back after posting my rantings i get a, page expired, page, and then when i come back it again says has been submitted. if the problem is on my end i promise not to post anything else till said problem is corrected. i apologize for the inconvience.

Nobby · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject:

Yes Jim, I get that page all the time. I just click on the forward errow takes you back to where you were, then click on Bible-Discussion at the bottom of the page. That will take you back to the forum index. Very Happy

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TheMessenger · Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

messenger, there is no clear evidence to suggest magog is russia although that has been assumed for a while by many. and no, the bible is not down to the letter when it comes to names and places i.e. "where also our LORD was crucified" rev.11:8.(read it before responding and remember what you said about egypt) so by the bibles own admission places are given spiritual names in prophetic scripture. *by the way, did you know there used to be a building in america with "mystery babylon the great" written in latin over its doorway.* know this, nothing i say about what the symbolism of rev. means is any more than speculative fun as we should all admit. maybe the ten horns is islam and the beast is world and the w.h.o.r.e. (i'm learning nobby) is the system that runs the worlds money matters. or maybe all of it is neither. only HE knows for now, but it's fun to play.*by the way, would you happen to know who brokered the deal i mentioned in my last post?* please let us continue this as it is most creative, can you find the iraq war in o.t. prophecy. lets try. look forward to hearing from you soon. p.s. i used my real name, but now i see all these cool alias' and wish i had one,but, i haven't a clue as to what it should be.

TheMessenger · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:05 am Post subject:

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theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

wrong, the ten horns hate the w.h.o.r.e. so when you were "reading it in
context" you must have missed that part. and for anyone to assume they know the symbolisms in chapters in question is silly. another point,how do you know were not the revived roman empire. look at to simularities, the american dream, the dream that is rome, the romans said "the best defense is a good offense", now we scream preemptive strike, the use of latin letter and numbers in and on gov. properties, they wanted to make the world roman, we want to make it democratic. and it goes on and on.
exactly right about sodom and egypt, but that proves the point i was making to you that the scripture does give spiritual titles to places that thinks or acts like the place they are named after, which you said it didn't. but as you've seen it does and by the way, no magog doesn't have to be russia it could be the e.u. in hebrew it means "son of japheth", a northern region". in grk. "a foriegn nation", so most of europe and all of the scandanavian countries could by def. be magog. and about there being the "only power noth of isreal that could carry out".. you know what you said. in 1931 germany had no army and no guns for an army and hitler had those he was trying to make an army out of marching with shovels(because they had no guns). 8 years later they're trying to take over the world. and the e.u. is very powerful and could be magog.and your agruement that russia is there so we can't bomb iran is also not credible because russia did have military observers in iraq in 1990 but, they left quickly when the realised the bombs were going to fall. and afterwards came back just to run again in '02.by the way it was france that built the bomb shelters for iraq that were designed to withstand american missles, and it was france that sold military night vision to iraq within 1 yr. of the time we set out to make iraq roman, i mean democratic
it was france that tried to help iraq get nuclear reactors. so they are just as cushie with the middle east as anyone and no one cried louder when we attacked their buddy sadam then france. and who is the most powerful nation in the e.u. remember we can only speculate for now. the harlot sat upon many waters, america has more military bases all over the wolrd
then anyone else. so lets not be dogmatic about things we don't know for sure. by the way read jer. 50 and see that HE said HE would destroy the original babylon and no one will raise her up forever. HIS words not mine. take note of vs.37 "and the mingled people in the midst of her". only in america, to quote don king. vs. 39 it shall be no more inhabited, forever.
read it again you must have missed something as GOD says that that babylon is gone for good. so in rev. it must be a symbolic babylon. welcome to the melting pot.

TheMessenger · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:07 pm Post subject:

Please look at this Map

theseldomscene · Banned Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 7817

messenger,please read my whole post as i read all of yours. if you would study and post what the bible says about the sins of o.t. babylon i'll be glad to prove theirs doesn't hold a candle to ours.
even the antichrist makes a deal with isreal and keeps it for a season.
magog means northern region no due north.
not trading food stuff with certian countries means nothing as iraq, your version of rev. babylon, doesn't have enough food to eat much less trade.
because of sanctions we forced the u.n. to pass against them. so who controls trade now?
found =grk. hyoo-reh-o: to find ,get, OBTAIN, PERCEIVE, SEE
and no its not currently being rebuilt as a lack of funds and the war stopped the building. plus, what is rebuilt is mostly in the form of a museum, and not a city. the part that was to and does house people is built outside of the o.t. babylons borders as sadam didn't want anyone living in it yet.
by the way, i have found a ton of info to suggest we are to revived roman empire(rre). but as i said already this forum to me is just speculative fun, for the sake of debate.
but, if you want to know who i think the great harlot really is ( real opinion and not speculative fun) then email me at fbfrommie@tds.net and i'll tell you who and why, but you must promise not to post my view publicly, as some people would be extremely offended.

MoJo · Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:20 am Post subject:

Not everyone would be offended, Jim, but certainly everyone has not figured it out yet. Very Happy

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