Daniel

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Ok i have a few questions anyone who would like to help me out on something i am trying to figure out please do so.
First i would ask you to reread Daniel 2 & 3. Then answer a couple of questions.

1st- Why were Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah thrown in the fiery furnace?

2nd-what did the statue Represent ?

Thanks.
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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

WOW

If someone gives an opinion most everyone has something to say to prove them wrong, or say I agree.
But when i asked a question No one answers.

Oh well Thanks anyways!
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MoJo · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 12:16 am Post subject:

That's rather unfair, Christina since I see there was a total of only 8 hours between your posts. You questions might require some time to review. Very Happy

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christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

ahhhh

your right i guess im to anxious, Sorry.
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Star · Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 1:08 am Post subject:

Hey Christina,

I was one of those looking into it, because I never studied Daniel before, I mean the obvious places of interest but I've never once read the entire book of the bible before myself. I can take years just in one book meditating on just that book, and finger through till something catches my eye. Right on black and white (which I never trust) is the obvious answer but there is so much imagery that I like to compare in various places because what I find is the same truth over and over again expressed differently. But I also felt when you asked the question you werent looking for a literal verse that shows the obvious but what showed the not so obvious and deeper truth of the representation. After looking it over and gleening tid bits throughout all the books (and because I'm not familiar with some of the images and discriptions I can't answer you with full assurance of anything yet. Thats why I didnt post, and with the holidays, and doing all that needs to be done I cant give myself to it completely at this time either.

So I appologize for not responding, but thats my reason, but I have notes jotted on my desktop and when I can look further into this I may come back to it when I am able to. Very Happy

In Him

Star

Smoke · Goldfish Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

i thought it was Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego in the fiery furnace. & the 4th was like unto the son of man.

The 3 hebrew boys were thrown in because they refused to bow down to the statue the big fat King Nebuchadnezzar made. They sounded the instruments and every one bowed to the image except the 3 boys.
The King turned up the furnace 7 times hotter (whatever) and the boys did not burn. They saw a 4th who looked like Jesus. (so I think it was an angel or something) When the king relized they were not burnt or did not even smell like smoke, the King realized the 3 boys knew the one true God and sent out a decree for no one to ever hurt them. Then the big fat king tossed in the people who through the 3 hebrew boys into the furnace and they burned.
(so much for the ones who bowed- some got thrown in anyway.)

The statue might have represented old Nebuchadnezzar himself or just some thing he made up. (not sure) They used to make the pagan images all the time. They used to be forced to worship kings like they were gods too.

But Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego knew to only worship the one true God.
I believe that story is true. I have known that since I was like 7 years old. It s just basic type and shadow for what spiritual warfare we face today. Smile

Star · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:26 am Post subject:

Smoke,

In Daineil 1:7 is the answer Christina's just calling them by the first names instead of the second ones. Very Happy

Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel [the name] of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego.

In Him

Star

Smoke · Goldfish Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

ok. i thought it was from a different bible. the different versions throw me off too since i only use KJV.

I did not actually go there and read it today, i have read it many times & i think i got most of correct...sometimes the OT stories kind of blend in to the same outcome. (the good guys alway win) 8)

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

The first answer is right.

But the second question. -what did the statue Represent ?

Smoke · Goldfish Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

I dont think the king made the image to represent daniels God. If you read farther this king was still believing there were many gods. He thought daniel had a certain god, the hebrew boys had a certain god etc.
he was infatuated by the true God but did not put it all together. he was more into god (s) and images & that whole mystic, mythical thing.

Maybe in Nebuchadnezzars MIND, he thought the image would represent the true God of Daniel. When you keep reading he is still into gods & images.

3:14
Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?

I do think after the fiery frunace episode, Nebuchadnezzar started to see the true God In verse 28 the king tells everyone to worship the God of the 3 hebrews boys. I am not sure it is clear he ever came around. Though he started to.

I think we can have images, but we know they dont have spirits or power like they believed back then. No one can make an image or statue of God, because He is a spirit.

Is that what you are seeing?

Star · Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:55 pm Post subject:

Here she goes again, I think your on to something Christina, I often thought of the Image of Gold being equalled to the FORM of Godliness but the denying the power of God as seen in the epistles. I think your right on track with this one too.... Boy your hitting them all lately, I'm sitting back and drinking in on a few of these beauties.

Actually MoJo brought up a great one on the other forum and its weird that this one is here and they kind of speak together. To me (though I'm not certain) the image of Gold or rather the appearance of faith which is tried as Gold is not true, but only a "form" of it with no power.

Heres where I knew not to really say anything until I knew for certain because theres definately more in there that meets the eye.

Any other thoughts on this Christina?

In Him

Star

Smoke · Goldfish Joined: 11 Dec 2004 Posts: 61

this image would have been against the God of daniel from the commandment of having no graven images before him.
I wonder if this king went around making images all the time to help keep him in charge as a king?
If he did make the image after daniels God, I am suprized he did not make another one or (three more) after the the God of the three hebrew boys. Laughing

It was the kings idea to make it and make everyone bow.
I am not sure it is clear what the staue represented. Confused or disgusted

please expound Wink

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Star im happy were on the same track. I think it is very intresting if you compare the words from Daniel and from Revelation not chapter to chapter but the description of thing. Revelation is the last chapter but Daniel makes me understand Revelations better.
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