Faith and the Trinity

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Mojo, Captain Mercury wanted proof that Christians had killed Christians, that last posting was not the original site that I found it on, also I borrow many books from the library so it is hard for me to post these proofs.
As for name calling, may I ask please where I have called anyone names? I did say that people are brainwashed, and I do believe that's true, they are brainwashed by their churchs. Outside of that, where have I called anyone a name. That is not my style.
If you feel that this discussion is a test, then don't answer it, but I do enjoy your posts and would like you to remain.
I don't wish to insult anyone but one thing I will say, an honest and sincere journey back will produce the same results as I got. There are not two or three histories of the church, just as there aren't two or three Gods.
This last copy/pasted post of mine was off the internet and I found it interesting because it mirrored what I felt after I received the gift of the Holy Spirit. It seemed as though someone or something kept pushing me to read. To read scripture, to read books, to somehow understand who the men were that followed Jesus and who Jesus was in relationship to God and Israel. If you are sincere in your research, and not using church teachings but doing the research on your own, you will succeed. It takes a long time to understand what God is revealing to you. I just wanted to help it along.

Capt Mercury · Ferret Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Location: SoCal

Bridget,

Just FYI, I didn't want proof that Christians had killed Christians. I know that happened, and still is in some parts of the world. Specifically what you said was,

MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject:

Thanks for answering, Bridget. As to the name-calling, I was referring to you calling people pagans, worshipping false gods because they believe in the trinity. Even though I don't support the trinity, I don't think this is in the least bit true about people who do. It is my belief that none of us has the definitive answer because God has not revealed it to us in total. If it was clear, all of us would agree.

It therefore behooves us to be humble about what we, as individuals, do believe because it is quite likely to be wrong or at least only partially right. What is important is that we believe the way to God is through Jesus and in that I think we all agree. As to the rest in regards to God's make-up, we should not be frustrated when others hold different opinions because He will reveal himself to whom He pleases and who is to say who that is. Even though I believe in a certain direction, I try to remain open to the possibility of being wrong, finding that this attitude causes a lot less strife. Very Happy

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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

I'm sorry to sound self rightous, I don't want to be but I know I'm not wrong. I know it just as surely as I know the sun will rise tomorrow whether I see it or not. I am more then willing to stand up for what I believe. I was even willing to leave these boards but was insulted by those who called me a coward. I have said this once before, I was where some of you are now. I taught Sunday School using the preprinted workbooks put out by the Methodist Church, a lot of it, by the way, was exactly what is being said to me by people on this board. I'm not proud of leading those children astray. I sat in the pews Sunday after Sunday, questioning what was being preached, until finally there came a time when I had to find out for myself. Had I used the books put forth by the Methodist Church or any church for that matter that teach the trinity, I would not have found out what I now know to be true. I have studied the ancient church for over 20 years now and keep learning more all the time. The one thing I am sure of, THERE IS ONE GOD, HE IS NOT MADE UP OF THREE PERSONS, HE IS ONE. JESUS IS NOT A GOD, NOR IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. You're right, Christians shouldn't be arguing over these things especially since it is all written in the Bible, all right there for anyone to read.

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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Hi, where did everybody go. I've been off line for a while but I'm back but I guess I'm all alone here. If anyone reads this I hope you all had a wonderful thanksgiving. Hope all are well. God Bless!

Capt Mercury · Ferret Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Location: SoCal

Nobby · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:44 pm Post subject:

Nobby · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject:

Hey Capt Mercury,
Your Back! Don't stay away so long. We miss your posts. It is so good to see you guys post when you've been away a while. When you go away I always wonder what happened to you. Smile

I'll be lookind for your post.
Welcome back.
God's Blessings,
Nobby
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

Hey cap!, Hey Bridgett. thought y'all might've died or gotten a life or something. Nice to have you back.
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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Hi Guys, I missed you so much these past few months. My computor went down and I had to go off line. So glad to be back with you.
My background is probably not one that you would like to hear, but here goes. My mother was a Polish Jew who came to this country fleeing her own during the war. She did not raise me to be Jewish, however, since my father was a Christian. I did not attend church until I was married and my Children dragged me to a Methodist service. I continued to attend these services for many years. My faith in Jesus started as a young girl. At 12 I believed with all my heart the stories of Jesus and how wonderful He was. As I grew older I started listening to Christian radio and learned more about God, Jesus and the Church, so by the time the kids took me to my first church service I believed in the Bible, and the saving grace of Jesus. The church and I disagreed quite a lot, so as time went on I questioned much of what was being said. I loved my mother, she was such a kind and thoughtful lady, and her sister, who kept a Kosher home in Brooklyn, was also a kind wonderful lady, who loved to laugh and whose smile lite up the world. These people believed as all Jews believe in One God. People seem to disagree that Jesus was born to save the world because of the sins of the Israelites in the Old Testament. To me this is very clear. God chose Abraham from a world that believed in multiple Gods or a Pagen world. The history of Gods people as reflected in the OT shows clearly their sin and God's promise of a Savior.
Jesus was that Savior. God said time and time again, He and He alone was the God of the Israelites. The one and only God.
I believe that after the death of Yeshua and His Apostles and the death of those who had heard the teachings directly from the apostles is when the trouble began. Paul had brought into the faith many Pagens who kept their own faith, which by the way is reflected in Pauls letters to the different churchs. These people continued the rites and rituals they were used to in their own religions, even to the point of bringing statues of their Gods and changing the names to those of the Apostles. The sames rites and ritual we now see in the Catholic church and also in the denominations that sprang during the reformation. My problem with this is simple. If God brought Abraham out of a Pagen world to found a people who would believe in Him alone, how can we claim that the faith we now have, which reflects the same Pagen rites and rituals God Himself resented in the beginning, to be the Faith He founded in Jesus. I'm sorry I don't understand how you cannot see this. Jesus was a man. A Jewish man. There is no mystery in this. He was born and He died, God chose to take Him bodily to sit at His right hand.
What faith am I you ask. To tell you the truth I don't know. All I know is I love my God with all my heart and soul and mind and I love Jesus the Messiah as well. You tell me.

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Bridget i hear you 100%
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Van · Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:52 am Post subject:

The reason is simple, Christians accept what the Bible says in John 1:1/14 and those who follow Jewish tradition do not.

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Van, I know you believe that just as I believe what I believe. Jesus came first to the Jews and then the gentiles. Gentiles in this case were Pagen and believed in multiple Gods. John 1:1 is a passage that over time has been altered to claim the trinity as real. This passage originally in latin used the pronoun it instead of he. 'It' refering to the word, not to a person.
If you reread it using 'it' refering to the Word you would clearly see this. Also this gospel in it's original writing would not have been understood. It has been heavily edited. Even so it is still my favorite Gospel.`
The first conclusion to the Gospel of John 20:30
"Jesus performed many other signs as well - signs not recorded here- in the prersence of his disciples. But these have been recorded to help you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God so that through this faith you may have life in his name."
Here John claims Jesus the Jewish Messiah, and God's son, not part of a triune Godhead. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this until such time as you become curious about these things and find out for yourself as I did. God help you in this.