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RevJP
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| Van wrote: | | Dust, I agree and another thing is that many Calvinists keep their doctrine under wraps when they present the gospel. They do not say what they believe. They do not say at the close, "now those of you who would like to avoid hell, come forward and place your trust for salvation in Jesus. If you are one of the elect, you will be saved. If not, there is nothing whatsoever you can do, you are going to hell." You will never hear it presented. So Calvinists are like bait and switch salemen. |
should they? You seem to assert that theological doctrine should be placed on the same table as the Gospel. You also ignore the bait and switch tactics that all of us seem to employ - I am almost certain your church does this as well:
"God loves you and wants you to be with Him in heaven forever, those of you who would like to avoid hell, come forward and place your trust for salvation in Jesus. If you do accept Him then you quite possibly could be faced with a life of struggle and strife, rejection by the world and those you love, you will be faced with the juedgement and condemnation of those that read the Word but do not have it in their hearts...."
Talk about bait and switch....
| Quote: | | They say in their public meetings, God desires all men to be saved and that none should perish, but privately they wink and say God desires all kinds of men, whoever are the elect, to be saved and that none of the elect should perish. Then they accuse folks who disagree as adding to scripture. The whole false doctrine is based on the false assumption that being chosen in Him means believers were individual chosen before the world began. But if the truth of scripture is that being chosen in Him means we were chosen as part of a generic target group, all those in Christ no matter who they turn out to be, then the whole doctrine has no basis and no purpose. |
Sir, you do yourself a disfavor and you insult and cast aspersions on your brothers and sisters. You disagree with the doctrine of calvinism and that is fine, and whether or not you can prove it to be false has yet to be seen, nor is it relevant and this point. You sir should be shamed at what you have written here.
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Van
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Location: San Clemente, California
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| Note that the Calvinist offers lame defenses for all the scriptures provided indicating folks seek God, and find the narrow way that leads to life, and just reasserts the lie that no one ever seeks God. Jesus said to seek God and the Calvinist says Jesus was just saying what we ought to do, not what we are able to do. Twaddle. The all encompassing view of the phrase "no one seeks for God" is in error, it means in context no one seeks for God by the works of the law because by the law no flesh is justified. Read the passage, Romans 3:9-31 and judge for yourselves. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Note to all. Considering the degeneration of this discussion it is now ended. My purpose in the post was to explore the Calvinist doctrine of predestination, to discuss it to determine its veracity or error, I had willingly set aside any preconceived notions in order to fully absorb and consider all evidence.
Sadly my goals were thwarted and in light of the disgusting commentary which ensued I deem it best to lock it up and move on.
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