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King of the Jungle
Joined: 05 Sep 2004
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Meto,
Its ok, God IMPRESSES certain scriptures upon you most often with no explanation whatsoever, so that we seek to understand. The Holy Spirit will bring these to our rememberance and these will begin to irk us lol! Isn't this true? What I'm trying to understand and recconcile is that Wisdom has hewn HER Seven pillars. Christ IS THE WISDOM OF GOD, so seeing the "HER" is throwing me off and challenging me a bit, but thats ok I just keep it in my heart and wait on the Lord while I seek to understand but it does eventually come and bring you back to the cross again.
Dont worry about the "building part" and coming to an immediate understanding, stay in scripture and know that somehow and someway it will be summed up in Christ. I mean yes... we should be careful on the way we build but if it falls it falls (Thats good) because we want to build correctly, both in handling the scriptures and our lives as well.
The impression you've been given is from the Holy Spirit, just keep it in your heart. Remember the other one... "Roast your MEAT in the fire" this is thinking (musing, meditating) on the word of God until the light dawns. The Holy Spirit does this in you as you turn your thoughts toward God concerning them keeping Christ in the midst.
Thunbs up to Meto!   I must commend you in the fact that you at least fear interpreting it wrongly, but if you are letting the Holy Spirit teach you He will not lead you wrong and scripture will interpret scripture, not the newspaper as some think. There is nothing wrong with not knowing, its our pride that thinks it needs to know everything and when tested when we are barraged with questions and pulling out our swords in defense of God we do no service to Him and we've just bitten into the hook to be led astray into debate over things we truly don't understand. Appollos is wonderful to read in acts, ever wonder anout that one? lol!
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Will reign with Christ
Tadpole
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Could the seven spirits be angels? |
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King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Absolutely Reign with Christ! But I guess were trying to see it in the whole thing... Like making the connection with Wisdom has hewn HER seven pillars and trying to reccognize Sevens, seems weird lol! But If Christ is the Wisdom of God, I'm personally trying to get "connected" to all sevens, I have some but not all. Kinda like seeing all of them and getting a greater understanding. I personally love it when I can see the whole picture lol! But I can't as of yet, but its a driving force.
Does that make sense? I don't know how the others feel but thats how I feel
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joman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| WRWC wrote: | | Could the seven spirits be angels? |
No.
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King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Joman... How do you see this differently can you explain?
Rev 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The SEVEN STARS are the ANGELS of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
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joman
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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Rev 1:20
| Star wrote: | | The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The SEVEN STARS are the ANGELS of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. |
Star,
When I was responding to;
| WRWC wrote: | | Could the seven spirits be angels? |
I was not referring to (Revelation 1:20) which as you'll note equates seven stars with seven angels. But, the question asked concerned not seven stars but, seven spirits.
My references are:
Revelation 4:5 "...And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God."
Revelation 5:6 "..in the midst of the throne stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
The first reference above (Rev 4:5) uses a capital letter "S" for Spirits. This signifies that it is not angels but the Holy Spirit.
The second reference (Rev 5:6) does the same.
The capital "S" is required because it denotes the name of the "person" called the Holy Spirit. Similar to Word of God, or Comforter, excetra.
However, the second reference (Rev 5:6) states that the Lamb (who is Jesus) has seven horns and seven eyes.
In an earlier post I'd referenced Isaiah(11:2) concerning the fact that the seven Spirits of God rested upon Jesus of Nazareth.
In (Rev 5:6) we see the Spirits of God manifested by the person of Jesus Christ as seven distinct horns and eyes.
Horns represent "power". That they are on the head denotes their submission to the will and mind of Christ in their use.
The eyes denote the seven spiritual views by which Jesus Christ sees all things.
Remember that as with yourself, although you have two eyes your sight as a Christian is single. If it is not single, then you are full of darkness. It is the same concerning Jesus, except that although his eyes are seven in number his sight is single. This helps us to understand how seven Spirits' can be, the one and same Holy Spirit.
Until God divides a thing his creatures are unable to see what he sees. God saw Eve in Adam but, neither the angels nor Adam knew of her till God brought forth the truth that was hidden. Thus we rightly divide the word of God yet, nevertheless it is one word. Jesus divides to us his bread but, it is yet one loaf. Many members yet one body. Is it not the mystery of marriage? Men who lack spiritual understanding see two people but the spiritual man knows only one.
The phrase, "sent forth ino all the earth" reminds us of the fact that Jesus as promised has sent forth the Holy Spirit into all the earth. "All the earth" refers not only to the fact that the eyes and power of Jesus Christ is in all places of the earth by the Holy Spirit but, also that ,the Christians are sent forth as the body of Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit, into all the world.
It just occurred to me you may have been asking me about (Rev 1:20). I'm short on time because I must go to "praise and worship" practice. Sorry if that was your intent all along. funny how language is, isn't it?
Before I go I'll only point out that the seven angels and churches are a mystery that John was commanded to tell us about. The fact that the angels are in the hand of Jesus tells us that Jesus has complete control over them. The seven candesticks are lampstands which refer to the church being the light of the world that Jesus has positioned for maximum effect. There's more but I must go. If you want me to discuss this aspect (Rev 1:20) further let me know. Thank you.
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King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Joman,
I stand corrected on that one kiddo I was thinking of another seven of something or other. I think my head was spinning with sevens. Now I feel bad that you went into ALL THAT because I goofed in reading it correctly.
Your right hon I appologize for that one. Can ya tell I do better with more words then less? In the giving and receiving Dept?
The one I was thinking about was
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Thanks for pointing that one out to me 
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