The True Beginning The Cross

Star · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject: The True Beginning The Cross

Hi everyone I'm new here and I was reading below on Gods Sabbath Rest (7th day) and was wondering if anyone here took these days as "similitudes" pointing to Christ. They seem to recount Christ and the Cross over and over if we look real close. Of course I have nothing mapped out or any fancy presentation concerning it but enough verses which makes me consider Christ and the Spiritual words used to express spiritual truths concerning Him.

For instance (I should start with the first day but I'll start with the seventh first).

When Jesus "Finished" His work on the Cross we might be able to connect this with God resting from His work on the seventh day, making that day "Holy" with the blood of Christ. Reason I came to this was looking at Davids Child, He died on the Seventh day and that could also be seen as a similitude of Christ as well. For out of Davids Loins God was to "raise up" our savoir. Christ being the firstborn from the dead can also be seen in this as well. These are just a few things to consider.

But we ourselves labor to enter that rest I suppose. I'm not that convinced (though I might be wrong) that the day itself on "our calendars" is as important as it might be in seeing what this day signifies as it relates to Christ. I mean one man considers one day more holy then the next and others consider every day alike.

But turning to the "First day" I'm really begining to find that the True begining Genesis is talking about is The Cross. For example;

In the Begining was the Word (Christ/ Light of the world) and the Word (Christ) was with God (My Father is with me) and the Word (Christ) was God (anyone who has seen me has seen the Father). He was the True Light that came into the World (seen in Genesis) but the darkness has not understood that.

In Genesis In the Begining, run back and forth from here to the Cross and see the comparison. Look at the Earth, it BECAME desolate with darkness (the same seen at the cross) was over the surface of the deep. Why? Jesus was Crucified The Light of the World was not present until He returned to the Father. The darkness at the Cross is what Genesis is speaking of. Christ had yeilded UP His Spirit and the Spirit of God moved OVER the WATERS (people). Look at Revelation which interprets these waters. "The waters that you saw are peoples multitudes tribes and nations".

God said, "Let there be Light" and thats where God "speaks the word and sends Christ (The light of men) into our hearts. God then separates the light (He saw was good) from the darkness and here we have "The day" WE are children of the Day, from the darkness He called Night.

In Short the waters are separated from above and below an expanse. "Ye are from below" and "born from "above". He calls the "gathered waters" SEAS which in scripture represents "the wicked".

Look at the "stars" THEY also represent people (get a concordance) THEY are for signs and for seasons. Thats why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees because they were the religious leaders then and they could observe "the PHYSICAL WORLD" but they could not understand that these things written down are spiritual words expressing spiritual truths. These are "representatives" and scripture will interpret what they truly are.

Look up the Two Lights, key in who was the "Lesser light" to rule the night, and the "Greater Light" to rule the Day.

This stuff is amazing!

Another great study is (on every perfect word) on "Formed" "made" and "created" that one IS LOADED with meat to roast.

Can you tell I'm a bit over the edge excited? I find more joy in finding places where Christ is in scripture then finding issues to argue about for sure lol!

I hope this blesses someone, and if anyone has anything else to add to my learning I would really love to hear it Very Happy

MoJo · Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject:

You've got some great stuff there, star and I understand your enthusiasm. In my experience, every literal OT story told is also a similitude and has representatives of Jesus, the Father, Israel, the bride, Satan or any combination thereof.

If we take the example of David you gave, you will remember that the killing of Uriah is the only sin charged to David by God. Therefore in this particular segment of David's story, he would represent the devil because he is doing something wicked. Now remember that David represents Judah (Jerusalem, the Jews) and that he causes the death of the legitimate husband. Uriah therefore must represent the Lord and Bathseba, the wife, Israel. In similitude, Bathseba (Israel) takes a lover who is not her husband (David) committing a whoredom. This is most certainly a similitude in agreement with the Lord's condemnation toward his people who are likened to a wife.

Very Happy

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Star · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:42 am Post subject:

MoJo,

I think I will enjoy our discussions greatly, your just the kind of person (in your thinking) I could learn from. I'm not familiar with all the similitudes in scripture but the one you have presented sounds like something of great interest to me and even invokes greater questions where we can see Gods purpose hidden in there. This is fun isn't it? lol!

Many people question the fact the God states that the sins of the forefathers are passed on to the children, but then it states elsewhere that a child will not die for the sins of its parents. BUT because David sinned His Son (who I see as a similitude for Christ) was put to death for Davids sin.

God promises that a redeemer will be RAISED up from from Davids loins. Think about this (similitude). God raised Jesus up from the dead. HE was the first born from among THE DEAD (Child of David) Thats why Jesus could say, "I AM THE RESSURECTION" (not I'm going to be the ressurection). He could also say, "Ye must be BORN AGAIN" (Therefore Christ had been born again from the dead). Christ was the FIRST BORN over all creation. When we take part in the first Ressurection, we take part in Christ Himself.

So theres many things that look like a contradiction, and many go back into ancient texts to make appologies for "words" without seeing them pointing to Christ in the similitude.

I'm going to look forward to these discussions because I cannot see everything on my own, I see "line upon line, precept upon precept" it builds but the picture is not clear in every picture. I've just got my eyes open and an eager heart.

Thanks MoJo

In His Beauty
Star

Star · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 7:59 am Post subject:

MoJo,

I was rereading your post again... you got me thinking.... and what was quickened to me (from the NT) was the saying, "It was better for ONE MAN to die then the entire nation perish". So I'm already getting tid bits coming in from pondering on what you are sharing here. thanks for posting this your really helping in opening up my understanding on this, I never seen this before. This has me more interested in looking into "the dead" a bit more for some reason.

A freind of mine is doing a study on Christ "as prince" somehow theres an "order" in it. He was born a prince but goes to the Cross "as a King". there is SO MUCH in here.I'll post anything I find. But I have a pretty full day today. Keep posting any thoughts! Funny but we dont need a course in Heumetrics but the Revelation of the Holy Spirit to to take from what is His and make it known to us..... I just love that about God ya know? Very Happy

In Him
Star

MoJo · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject:

star, may I suggest you read my posts in the Ezekial section under the heading "understanding ezekial" I believe it's a very good basic grounding for understanding God's similitudes for Israel. Very Happy

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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Star · Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject:

MoJo,

Basic? lol! Its a concordance! Your definately well read in these, I myself am not well versed in anything concerning Ezekiel. Its funny though... you read through the entire book and get blessed, but I can dwell on a single Chapter for years! lol! I still cant budge out of Genesis. I've been in that book (and only the first 5 chapters) for over 8 years and I never cease to walk away feeling blessed. It makes me realize how differently we all reach our understanding of the similitudes. As long as we see Jesus I can rejoice right along side of you Razz

I couldn't even begin to comment until I see how it all comes out and how it brings about an understanding of our Salvation in Christ. But I'll definately be peeking in on your thread.

You go girl (lol!)

In Him Star