What trinitarians evade

MoJo · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:18 am Post subject:

Wow! this thread is deteriorating by the second. Shocked

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Nobby · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: Note!

Forgive me Meto, I was teasing, I didn't intend for it to start a fight!! Sad

Guys, lets try to get along. You've all got the right to your opinions.
But when you start to cutting each other down personaly. That's when I start getting restless. You see I can't allow that. You can debate the topic all day & you'll never hear from me.
Please Debate the topic not the person!
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metothezero · Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:14 am Post subject:

Nobby, I knew your comments were either playful, or truthful. Either way I respected your opinion. However, some do not always speak truthful but rather blindly when 'backed into corners'.
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

I forget.... what do trinitarians evade? Confused or disgusted

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Reaper · Hamster Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 86

Dear RevJP,

You state: Why is it that whenever someone does not like something I've said, they immediately go for a personal attack? Is it not enough for them to discount what I say or question, scripturally? I know sometimes I can be 'not nice', and perhaps I occasionally am a little more frank that some would like, but does that give them license to jump into a personal attack completely unrelated to the subject at hand?

It seems to me my friend that you tend to make the mistake of jumping to hasty conclusions a little to quickly, when I asked you about your title as a Reverend and as to your schooling, method of education and such, it was not an attack upon your person, although it seems you took it that way, I’m sorry for that, I was merely asking you these questions in response to the following remarks you made,

“If you have a take on this topic, which is, supported sola scriptura, I would love to hear it. But if your view is based on doctrine and then attempted to be supported by scripture, particular translations of broad meaning words, specific versions of the bible which are translated specifically to support a specific ideology, non-contextual uses of verses, etc. - Then I really do not need to hear it, as I am in search of scriptural truth, not the ideas of man with manufactured evidence to lend tenuous support.”

I specifically wanted to know just how you were taught what you believe, specifically the method employed, as you appear here according to your own statement to disagree with the most common and practical method.

I would have thought that when one attends seminary school they would first be made acquainted with the doctrines (teachings) of the particular church whose seminary they were attending, i.e. they would be made acquainted with the creed of the church. Once this was made known to the students the professors of said university then would attempt to show how scriptures support their particular doctrines.

This sounds reasonable to me; in fact although I myself have never attended any seminary school, this is the very method I have employed in my studies, first I read the doctrines or teachings of an individual, and then I check to see if the scriptures provided by the author indeed support his teaching. This is exactly the method employed by the Bereans when they heard the words (doctrines, teachings) of Paul and of Silas.

They examined the Scriptures to see how well the Apostle's arguments were supported by the testimony of the law and the prophets. It is our duty both as students of the word and as Christians in general, individually to prove all things we accept. "To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isa 8:20)

You known what truly distinguish the Bereans from others, it was their true nobility, true nobility implies reasonableness of mind, as distinguished from prejudice, that is to say, they were able to approach the Apostles teachings without any preconceived ideas, based upon their own or some other man’s opinions, it is a shame that so few posses this noble character today.

Now as to the rest of your remarks, I would have thought that in seminary school they would have taught the student the proper benefit and use of various translations, lexicons, concordances and etc. in determining the true thought behind questionable words and texts. I personally would never suggest to anyone that they rely to heavily upon one particular translation of the scriptures. We must ever keep in mind that the translators were not divinely inspired men, but were merely ordinary fallible men just like the rest of us.

Oh! and by the way, the name Reaper has nothing to do with the Grim Reaper of Death, but rather the name is given as indicating one of the Lord’s servants called forth in this the time of the harvest of the Gospel Age, for our Lord has stated, the harvest is plenteous, but the labors are few (Matt 9:37,38; 13:30)

As I have said my dear friend, I bear you no ill will; you are entitled to your opinions just as I am of mine, it is my belief that the whole purpose of a forum is to attempt to learn from each other’s point of view, not to ridicule another’s thoughts, if we continuously allow personal prejudices to intervene we will learn nothing.

Your servant, Reaper

franksinatra · Big Hamster Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 93

More than enough.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

Everyone makes typo's my friend and this stupidity must stop now. We've all gotten a little out of hand with the sniping and personal attacks and it ends here.

This discussion can continue on topic with respect and courtesy, or it can be locked and forgotten about, all I need to do is push the lock button.
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

Reaper, in response to your last post:

Your entire argument is based on assumptions. You assume things about me and the way I was taught and you continue your debates based on those assumptions.

Let me tell you how I have come about most of my learning, in order:

Scritpure first, scriputre second, independent research in doctrines, scritpure to verify or discounts doctrinal points, discussions with knowledgable individuals in verified points of doctrine, then more scripture to verify or discount those points again.

metothezero · Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: