Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

summertime · Rattlesnake Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 447

Can someone please list for me bible references that say or imply that Jesus and God are one and the same? Thanks.

larryjf · Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 11:53 am Post subject:

Here are some verses that speak to the diety of Jesus...

Phillipians 2:5-6
Your attitude should be the same that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God.

Jn 10:30
The Father and I are one

Jn 14:9
...Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father!

Rom 9:5
Their ancestors were great people of God, and Christ himself was a Jew as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

Col 2:9
For in Christ the fullness of God lives in a human body

Titus 2:13
while we look forward to that wonderful event when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

Heb 1:8 (The Father calling the Son God)
But to his Son he says, "Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal power is expressed in righteousness.

Act 7:59 (Jesus is prayed to)
And as they stoned him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

(He was worshipped)
Mat 28:9
as they went, Jesus met them. "Greetings!" he said. And they ran to him, held his feet, and worshiped him.

Mat 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him--but some of them still doubted!

Lk 24:52
They worshiped him and then returned to Jerusalem filled with great joy.

(He had a title only given to God)
Rev 1:17-18
I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, "Don't be afraid! I am the First and the Last. I am the living one who died. Look, I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave.

2 Pet 1:1
This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ.
I am writing to all of you who share the same precious faith we have, faith given to us by Jesus Christ, our God and Savior, who makes us right with God.

Van · Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:02 pm Post subject:

John 1:1 and John 1:14 taken together state that Jesus is the Word and the Word was God.

larryjf · Posted: Fri May 28, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject:

Here's another one...

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

summertime · Rattlesnake Joined: 21 Aug 2003 Posts: 447

Thanks you guys! I will take a look at these.

Capt Mercury · Ferret Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Location: SoCal

summertime,

Actually, FYI, the statement, "Jesus is God. God is Jesus" isn't correct. The 1st part is right, but not the 2nd. God is not Jesus. The Father and the Holy Spirit are also God.

There is one God, but three persons. It's difficult to put it all together sometimes, I know.

I may have posted some of this already on another thread, but hopefully this wil lclarify the meaning of the term, "trinity":

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

thanks for that post Cap... However, let us try to keep threads in thier correct places, this post should be in the trinity forum, a post directing someone to the appropriate forum or thread would've sufficed.
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Nobby · Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject: Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

*POOF* Were in Trinity Land! Smile

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Capt Mercury · Ferret Joined: 26 Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Location: SoCal

RevJP,

Sorry aboutvthat, but what was posted here (Jesus is God and God is Jesus) IS about the trinity. The issue here was a misunderstanding about the persons of the trinity, and it hadn't been dealt with yet. Didn't think there was any way to get around it, and I only posted what would show that Jesus and the Father are persons, and that Jesus (and theSpirit) are God.

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Omega · Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:30 am Post subject:

This should sum up the doctrine of the Trinity and some false interpretations of it.

http://www.souldevice.org/christian_trinity.html

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

There is no doubt in my mind that there are God the Father, Jesus Christ the son and the Holy Spirit. They do not, however make up a triune Godhead. Christians do not have the right to change the religion God brought into being through Abraham. This faith was a faith in one God. Jesus is not that God. Jesus was sent, after those God chose as His own people rebelled and sinned against Him. He was not sent as a God, God didn't dwell in Him as the book of acts describs Him (acts 3:22) For Moses said:
'The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own kinsmen: you shall listen to him in everything he says to you. Anyone who does not listen to that prophet shall be ruthlessly cut off from the people. Moreover, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel onward, have announced the events of these days. You are the children of those prophets, you are the heirs of the covenant God made with your fathers when he said to Abraham, 'In your offspring, all the families of the earth shall be blessed. When God raised up his servant, he sent him to you first to bless you by turning you from your evil ways.

Listen to what Peter is saying here. Moses shall raise up a prophet like me. We are the heirs of the covenant God made with your fathers.
If you were to read this from the beginnning it says, 3:13 The God of Abraham, of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his Servant Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned in Pilate's presence when Pilate was ready to release him.

Please, I beg you to look at these verses, to understand what Peter and Paul both are telling these people, for these people are just like us. It's as if Peter were speaking to you and I.

Omega · Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject:

christina · Cobra Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 456

Jesus and God are not the same.

You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. John 8:15

I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death." John 8:50
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Van · Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

Jesus the man is not the same as God. Jesus does not judge as a man, by human standards. When Jesus does judge, He judges as a representive of God, standing with God so to speak.

TBax · King Kong Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 2072

I believe you can you can learn the truth from any "largely literal" translation.Even though there are errors in different translations,like the King James version contains thousands of textual errors you can still find the truth if you don't read out of context and it agrees with the rest of the Bible.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

KJ,Dy,JB,NAB translations use similar wording
NTIV,NW say "a god" AT,Mo say"was divine" Ludwig Thimme translation reads "God of a sort the Word was".
Why the descrepence?Its tecnical but the word for word translation is "In beginning was the Word,and the Word was toward the God and god was the Word"
Notice the word "the" in front of "Word" and "God".Only one instance here where the definite article "the" does not before the word "god" making "god" a more descriptive term,not identifying.

The Bible calls Satan "the god of this system of things".God even told Moses that he(Moses)was to be god to Aaron,and to Pharoh. That being so it is certainly not wrong for the most powerful creature to be called a god.

What does the rest of the Bible say?
Deut 10:17 For Jehovah YOUR God is the God of gods
GOD OF GODS.THIS IS NOT TALKING ABOUT FALSE GODS.

John 1:17 No man has seen God at any time
YET PEOPLE DID SEE JESUS.

John 17:3 In prayer to his Father "3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. "

John 20:17 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”

This is what the apostles believed 1 Cor 8:6 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

Revelation 1:1 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

All these verses show God and Jesus are seperate individuals.No matter what translation you use.
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