Ques ; Is There A Difference BetweenThe Father And The Son I

Elijah22 · Little Guppy Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 33

If you ask any Christian who are these Verse pertaining to they would Answer
( WithOut A Doubt In Their Minds ) . that these Verse are Speaking of The Messiah Yashua , Also Take A LQQk At The Many Titles Which Are Attributed To Him . < Biblical Names Attributed To The Messiah Yashua >
The seed of woman < Genesis 3 ; 15 > The caption of Savation < Job 5 ; 13 - 14 > Wonderful < Isaiah 9 ; 6 ; Judge 13 ; 8 > I am that I am < Ex odus 3 ; 14 > The mighty God < Isaiah 9 ; 6 > Emmanuel < Isaiah 7; 14 > The Rose of Sharon lilly of the valley < Song of Solomon 2 ; 1 > Theprince of pace < Isaiah 9- 6 > The Mediator < 1Timothy 2 ; 5 > The helper < Hebrew 13 ; 6> The Rewarder of Faith < Hebrew11 ; 6 > The Branch < Zachariah 6 ; 12 > A Man of sorrows < Isaiah 53 ; 3 > The Bringer of Good Tidings < Isaiah 41 ; 27 > The Chief Cornerstone < Isaiah 28 ; 16 > The Redeemer < Job 19 ; 25 >
This is only a small list of the different names that are Attributed to The Messiah Yashua Without Even His Name Being Mentioned . I Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE . HowEver , You Have Christian Will Undoubtedly Tell You That These Verse Are In Fact Speaking About The Messiah Yashua < NOT >
I Again Repeat The Name '' Yashua / Jesus '' IS NOT FOUND IN ANY OF THESE VERSE .. OverStand SomeThing Ok I Deal Only In Facts Ok
In Serveral Quotes In The New Testament Jesus Made It Clear That You Are To Worship God And Not Him When He Made Reference To God He Used The Third Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular Me In Luke 4; 8 Jesus Says And I Quote He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Againt In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 Jesus Gives All Praise And Gratitude To His Heavenly Father And I Quote He Used The Word He Not Me
The ( Trinity ) Is Of ( Pagan ) Origion And Every ( Pholytheistic ) Culture Has Their Own Reprentation Of It ... Common Sense Should Tell You That Three Person Yet One God Theory Is Impossible ..
( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth
Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..
Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .
Luke 14 ; 26 >> If anyman come to me , and hate not his Father And Mother And Wife And Chrildren And Brethren And Sister , Yea And His Own Life Also , He Cannot Be My Disciple . <<< If Jesus was God and he so loved the world why would you have to hate your family And even yourself , when it say in Leviticus 19 ; 1 That Hatred Is A Sin
John 14 ; 2 >> In My Father House Are Many Mansions .>>> Jesus Said In My Father's House , He [ Didsn't Say In My House ] Would It Have Made Sense To Say In My House [ If He Was God ? ]
Luke 2; 49 >> That I Must Be About My Father's Business '>> If Jesus Was God Why Did He Say I Must Be Of My Fathers Business , He Indicated . [ The Distinction Between Him And His Father .
I'm Should You Can Find More If You Open Your Eyes , Thoughout Your Bible It Speak About Jesus Being The Son Of God , And Not God Himself
What Other Proof Do I Have That Jesus And The Father Are Two Separate Beings ..?
Was Only A Man >> Matthew 1 ; 25 ...... Was Baptized >>>> Matthew 3; 13
Was Tempted >>>> Matthew 4; 1 ...... Slept >>>> Matthew 8 ; 24
Ate >>> Luke 24 ; 42 ...... Hungered >>>> Matthew 21 ; 18
Weakened >>> John 4; 6 .... Said Something He Shouldn't Have John 20; 17
Cried At Lazarus Grave >> John 20; 17
What Is A Trinity ?
The Word For Trinity In Aramic / Hebrew Is Shelesh , And ;; Triad '' It Is Mentioned Only In 1Chronicles 7; 35 And Thalaathatin In Ashuric / Syriac / Arabic Found In The Means ; Trinity , Triad , Triple , The Greek Word For Trinity Is Triad ( 1John 5 ; 7 ) . Triad Simply Means Tri Which Means Three ( 3 ) . When You Take Any Three Things And Say They Make Up Any One Thing That Would Be A Trinty , There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .

metothezero · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 2:21 am Post subject:

Ok, I do believe you'll have to translate your post before anyone can respond to it. We do not understand cryptic writing.
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metothezero · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 2:45 am Post subject:

One question for you sir,

Who raised Jesus from the dead???

(John 10:17-18 should be of help in answering the question)
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metothezero · Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 3:52 am Post subject:

Perhaps I should have rephrased my question, when I said I have a question for 'you sir' I was referring to Elijah. My mistake, I thought it was understood.
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The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law which overarches rulers and ruled alike.
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Atheism is a ferocious system, that leaves nothing above us to excite awe, nor around us to awaken tenderness. --R. Hall.

Elijah22 · Little Guppy Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 33

First OverStand SomeThing Before You Come At Me Like That Again
< To Desire Security Is A Sign Of Insecurity ( Metothezero ) >

The Word English Come out of the word Angel . The Letter '' A '' Was Exchanged For The Letter '' E '' The Word Angel Is Middle English , From Old English Engel Or Old French Angele , Both From Late Latin Angelus , From Late Greek Angelos , From Greek , Messenger . According To The American Heritage Dictionary , English Is From Anglicize , Which Is From Middle English , From Old English Englisc , From Engle , The Angles . The Word English Is A Grafted Word . It Is A Combination Of The Word Angle , Which Were Germanic People And The Word Ish Meaning '' Belonging To '' That Means That The English Belongs To The Gemans . Germ - Man , Man With The Disease Or Who Carries The Germs So The Combination Of The Word Angle And Ish - Give Angleish Or English . They Have You Calling Then Angels And You Don't Even Know It . English Is Germanic Language Which Is A Branch Of The Indo - European Language Family . Indo - European , As Well As Indo - Aryan Goes Back To The Sanskrit Language , Which Is Language Of The 200 Fallen NETERU ( Hindus ) . Indo Is Simply Short Indian , And Who Were These Angles ? The Angles Were A Germanic People Who , Together With The Saxons And Jutes Invaded The Island Of Briton In The Fifth Century From Schleswig - Holstein . These Angles Or Anglo People Were Tall , Blonde Haired , And Blue Eyed . The Word Jute Us From Middle English Jutes ; The Jutes , From Medieval Latin Lutae [ Bengali Jhuuo , From Sanskrit , Twisted Hair , Probabyly Of Dravidian Origin . Do You Hear The Word Judas ( Jew , The Betrayer ) ? Do You See Hitler's Ideal Race ? Do You See The Relation Between Berth ( Brit And British ) . The Aramic ( Hebrew ) Word For Covenant And Britain ? None Of These Are Coincidences ? The NewLand They Made For Themselve Was Called Anglo - Saxon Or For Short , Angle . Land , Which Was Later Pronounced England . And Their Language Is What We Are Calling Today , Old English . So When You Are LQQKing In The Dictionary . Which Should Rightly Be Called A Definitionary , And See '' Old English '' , These arethe people from which it came . As Can See The '' E '' Was Dropped At The End Of The Word Angle And An '' O '' Was Added . This Was Often Done In The English Language . Before The Year 1066 A.D. On ly A Few Word Had Been Borrowed From French . Since Then . Tens Of Thousand Of French Word Have Entered The English Language , Such As The Word '' Very '' Just As In Any Other Language , English Has Dialects And Different Words Are Applied To The Same Object Such As The Following Word.
British American
Rubber Eraser
Vest Undershirt
The British Also The '' R's From Their Make Not That In Such Word That End In
Word Such As Lord And Proniunce It Or '' In American English , End With An
Laud Our '' Such As The Words Color And
Colour , Honor And Honour .
Also MakeNote That The Man Responsible For Changing The Suffix '' Re '' At The End Of Words Such As Centre , And Making Them '' Er '' Center , Was None Other Than Noach Webster . I Am Surr EveryOne Is Famiilar With Him . He Is The Person Who Behind Webster's Dictionary '' And Has Shaped The Modern English Language . He Is The One Who Insisted That The '' Our '' Should Be '' Or '' And The Letter '' K'' Should Be Dropped From Words Such As Musick , And Traffick And Colour , Not Only Is The French Language Added , Latin , Slavic , German , Italian , Arabic , Greek , Hebrew , Portuguese . And Many Other , The Year 1066 A.D. Is Used As A Dividing Point For The Ending Of Old English And The Beginning Of Middle English . Middle English Took Its Root In Europe Between The 1100's And 1500 A.D. And The Year 1476 A.D. Separates The Ending Of Middle English Which Is What You Are Calling Modern English . Which Is Simply American .
English Started Out As A Letters With A Hard Sound Much Like The German And Greek Language Of Today . That Is What Is Called Old English - Mere Grunting Sounds . The Language Finally Evolved Into What It Is Today . English Is The Most Widely Used Language In Every County , World Leaders Had Planned To Have The Entire World Speaking English , The Only Other Language That Is Widely Recognized Like English Is Spanish . Speaking English , Spanish , French And Various Other European Tongues Have Helped To Enslave The Minds And Bodies Of The People Of The World . The English Language Is A Tool Of The Luciferians To Keep You Trapped .
Ques ; Could You Define The Word Luciferian ?
Ans ; According To The American Heritage Dictionary , Luciferian Derives From The Word Lucifer Meaning ;
Lu - ci - fer ( loo se - far ) n 1 . The Archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan . 2 . The planet Venus in it appearance as the morning star . 3 . lucifer . A friction match [ Middle English , from Old English . morning star . Lucifer , from Late Latin Lucifer , from Latin morning star , light - bringer ; lix. luc . light ; see leuk - below+ fer , - fer ]
leul - .Important derivatives are ; light 1 . luminary , luminous , illuminate , lunar , lunatic , luster illustrate , lea lucid , elucidate translucent , lynx .
leuk -Light , brightness I . Basic form * leuk - 1 . Suffixed form * leuk - to , a Light , from Old English leoht, liht , light ; B, LIGHTNING , from Old English lihtan
to shine , from Germanic * leuht - jan , to make light . Both a and b from Germanic * leuhtam . 2 . Unsuffixed form * leuk - LUCINA . LUCULENT , LUX ; LUCIFER ,
( LUCIFERIN ) . FROM lATIN LUX , LIGHT , 3 . Suffixed form * leuk - smen - LIMN ,
LUMEN , LUMINARY , LUMINOUS; ILLUMINATE .PHILLUMENIST , from Latin limen , light , opening . 4 . Suffixed form *leuk - sna - LUNA, LUNAR , LUNATE LUNATIC , LUNE . LUNULA ; SUBLUNARY , from Latin luna , moon . 5 . Suffixed form * leuk - stro -a LUSTER , ( LUSTRUM ) . from Latin lustrum , purifcation ; b . ILLUSTRATE , from Latin lustrae , to purify , illuminate .6. Suffixed form * leuko - dhro - LUCUBRATE , from Latin lucubrare , to work by lamplight 7 . Suffixed form * leuk - o LEUKO - from Greek leukos , clear , white ll, O-grade form * louk - 1. Suffixed form * louk - o - a . LEA , from Old English le ah , meadow ( < '' place where light shines '' ) from Germanic * lauhaz ; b . LEVIN , from Middle English Levin lighting from Germanic * lauh - ubni - 2 . Suffixed ( iterative ) form * louk - eyo - LUCENT . LUCID ; ELUCIDATE . NOCTILUCA . PELLUCID . RELUCENT , TRANSLUCENT , from Latin luce 're , to shine lll . Zero grade form * luk - 1. Suffixed form * luk - sno , LINK2 LYCHNIS , From Greek lukhnos , lamp . 2 . LYNZ OUNCE2 , from Greek lunx , lynx ( as if from its shining eyes) attributed by some to this root ( but more likely of obscure origin )

Elijah22 · Little Guppy Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 33

No Man's Body Can Contain God
Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is Not Alive And The Father Is God Not The Son .. The Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Accodring To The Christian Teaching Die At The Age Of 33 , By Saying That He Is '' Alive Again '' Mean God Died Before ????? ! That Make Absolutely No Sense . You Stated Now That He Is Alive Again Forever He Is God . So What You're Saying Is That God Died And Came Back To Life , And At Some Point He Stopped Being God God Is All Existing . And Made It Possible For All Things To Exist . If He '' Dies '' What Do You Think Would Happen To The Rest Of Us . Exactly . We Would All Cease To Exist As Well Because We Are All Apart Of The Heavenly Father . Also , If The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Is God The Who Was He Praying To In Matthew 6 ; 9 - 13 He Says Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' , So He's Not God Or Otherwise He Would've Been Praying To Himself . Let Me Point Out To You That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Was And Israelite . It Is Common Sense That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Would Not Violate Such A Powerful Israelite Judaic Command As The Worship Of God Alone ( Exodus 20; 3 - 4 ) By Claiming To Be That Very God Whom He Pray To In Matthew 26 ; 39 .
'' AND HE WENT A LITTLE FARTHER
AND FELL ON HIS FACE AND PRAYED
( SAYING , O FATHER MY FATHER )
Think About It . It Doesn't Make Much Sense For Jesus To Pray To Himself . If Jesus Was God , He Wouldn't Have No Need To PRAY . In Several Quotes In The New Tesament The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Made It Clear That Your Are To Worship God AndNot Him . When He Made Reference To God , He Used The THIRD Person Singular '' Him '' Not The First Person Singular '' Me '' In Luke 4 ; 8 JesusSaysAnd I Quote ;
AND JESUS ANSWER AND SAID
UNTO HIM GET THEE BEHIND ME
SATAN ; FOR IT IS WRITTEN , THOU
SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD
AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE ''
He Said Worship Him Not Me
In John 4 ; 23 - 24 Jesus States Again In The Red Letter Writting Of Your Bible And I Quote
'' BUT THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH ; FOR THE FATHER SEEKETH SUCH TO WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH . < He Said Worship Him And Not Me .
And In John 14 ; 10 JesusGive All Praise AndGratitude To His Heavenlt Father And I Quote ;
BELIEVEST THOU NOT THAT I AM IN
THE FATHER , AND THE FATHER IN ME ?
THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU I
SPEAK NOT OF MYSELF ; BUT THE FATHER
THAT DWELLETH IN ME , HEDOETH THE WORKS
He Used The Word He Not Me
No Man's Body Can Contain God , Not If You Mean That He Has The Essence Of His Father In Him , Then All Man Are God's Son And Daughter , Read Genesis 2 ;7 When God Breathe Into Man The Breath Of Life '' And The Lord God Formed Man From The Dust Of The Ground , And Breathed Into His Nostrils The Breath Of Life ; And Man Became A Living Soul . .. However , Getting Back To The Point Whether He Incarnated Or Came Himself There Still Wouldn't Be Any Need For Him To Pray Or Ask For Assistance From Anyone If He Was God , The Creator . Can't You See That ?Not Only Would He Not Need To Pray He Would Have No Desire To Eat Meat
Luke 24 ; 41 , Beg That Death Passes Him Matthew 26 ; 39 , Feared AndRan For His Life John 18 ; 3 Which Means That '' God Has To Run From His Creation . It Seems Like You Totally Ignored All Of These Scriptures And Found One That Sound Good To You , And Built A Whole Doctrine From It . Another Quality That The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Did Not Possess According To Roman 13 ; 1 And
2Corinthians 1 ; 23 Is The Power To Assign The Soul Their Positions In The Hereafter According To The Author Of These 2 Books Which Was Paul . Only The Heavenly Father Possess Such Power . Exalting Jesus Beyond The Truth Is Shown To Be A Form Of Idolatry . Once Again In Matthew 7 ; 21 Jesus Tells People To Do The Will Of The Father . ... In Both Luke 4 ; 8 And Mathew 4; 10 We Come Across An Incident That Clearly Contradicts The Concept Of Jesus Claining Absolute Divinity . According To These Two References Matthew 27 ; 46 And Mark 15 ;34 Jesus Was Put On The Cross Left To Die . Then According To Those Who Believe The Crucifixion Story , At That Time Jesus Cried In A Loud Voice . If Jesus Was God He Would Not Have To Say Any Of These Things In The First Place . How Could You Possibly Forsake Your Ownself ? If HeWas God Or Eli As It Is Used In This Quote , He Would Not Need Consent From Anyone . Overstand ... This Could Not Possibly Be The Words Of A person Who Saw Himself As The The Controller Of All Life And Death Because He Cried Out '' My God '' It Simply Isn't Logical . The Prophet Messiah Yashu'a / Jesus Never Encouraged Anyone To Worship Him Instead , He Taught Others To Worship His Father .. As I Have Just Shown You By Useing The Scripture .

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Ans ; There is no type of Nail That They Could Have used to Support A Man Like Jesus' Size , Without Ripping Through His , PlamsOr Shattering His Bones. Again Jesus was Not Crucified . It's A Myth . A Play Created By Joseph Flavius. But The kind of Nailsused by Romans Which Measure 8 To 10 Inches . It was Hammered Through The Hands And Feet Of The Accused Victimes Sentenced To Death . In Order For The Weight Of The Body To Be Supported . Shroudist State That The Nail Had To Pass Through The Wrist In What Is Called The Despot's Space , A Nail This Size WouldShatter Someone's Wrist Bones , Then What Suport Do You Think They Would Have Had Then ? Jesus Should HaveBeen Dead Within An Hour, Because His Diaphram Would Have Collapes DueTo His Dead Weight Body . His Diaphram Could Have Not Supported His Body Weight . Note The Cruxifixion Lasted For Three Hours Before He Dies .
Ques ; Was Yashu'a ( Jesus ) To Carry A Tree ?
Ans ; According To The New Testament , In Numerous Places. It SaysJesus Was Hung On Tree .
Acts 5 ; 30 <>The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree.
Acts10 ; 39 <> And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree
1Peter 2 ; 24 <> who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, that we, having died unto sins, might live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed
John 19 ; 17 <> They took Jesus therefore: and he went out, bearing the cross for himself, unto the place called The place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha
Carry , To Put Upon One's Self ( Something ) To Be Carried And The Word Being Used For '' Cross '' In Greek Staurous, Meaning '' An Upright Stake '' From The Root Word Histemi , Meaning '' To Cause Or MakeStand'' .
According To The New Encylopedia Britannica Volume 19 Published By Helen Hemingway , Bentica On Page 918 , Concerning The Weight Of Wood , It Says ;
Common Temperate Climate Woods Range In Weight , From About 300 To 900 Kilograms Per Cubic Metre , ( 20 - 55 Pounds Per Cubic Foot ) In Air - Dry Condition , But Lighter And Heavier Woods Exist In The Tropics , ( 80 - 1 ,300 Kilogram Per Pubic Metre On 10 - 80 Pounds Per Cubic Foot ) , Such As Balsa And Lignum Vitae , Respectively . ;... The Lightest Kind Of Wood Is Balsa Wood , Which Is Used Making Model Airplanes , Life Rafts And Buoys . That Kind Of Wood Could Not Have Been Used , Because The Lightest Kind Of Wood Weighs Up To 20Lbs . Per Cubic Foot . A Cross Made Our Of Balsa Could Not Have Supported Yashua's ( Jesus ) Weight Not If You Say It Was A Heavier Kind Of Wood , Like Oak , That Was Used , When You Would Have To Take Into Consideration That The Wood Would Have Been To Heavy For Yashu'a ( Jesus ) , Who Was Beaten And Weakened .
Matthew 26 ; 67 <> Then did they spit in his face and buffet him: and some smote him with the palms of their hands
Matthew 27 ; 26 <> Then released he unto them Barabbas; but Jesus he scourged and delivered to be crucified.
Matthew 27 ; 30 <> And they spat upon him, and took the reed and smote him on the head.
Mark 15 ; 19 <> And they smote his head with a reed, and spat upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Luke 22 ; 63 <> And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and beat him
The Greek Word Used For '' Smote '' Is Tupto Meaning '' Smite , Beat , Strike , Wound , '' And The Greek Word Used For '' Smote'' In Luke 22 ; 63 Is Dero Meaning '' To Beat , Smite , To Flay , To Skin , To Beat , Thrash . The Greek Word Used For '' Scourged '' Is Phragello Meaning '' To Whip . '' After Being Beaten And Skinned , He Was Too Weak To Carry A Corss 18 Feet 6 Inches Tall , With A Cross Beam Of 6 Feet 6 Inches Long . Now Wood Is Cut In 2x4 , 4x4 And So On , Whatever Size Wood Is Used For Building . With Its Length Varying According To The Length That Is Needed . In Order For The Cross To Have Been Strong Enough To Hold A Man Of His Size It Would Have Had To Have Been Thicker Than A 2X4 Or 4x4 To Support His Weight . How Was It Possible For Yashua Or Jesus . Who Had Been Straved And Beaten , To Have Carried A Tree - Sized Cross 6'4'' Inches Wide And 18'2 Inches Tall . Or An Actual Tree To Galgotha Matthew 27 ; 33 ?
Ques ; How Could Yashua ( Jesus ) Carry The Cross To Calvary , When According To The Holy Bible He Was Starved First , Then Beaten , Then Made To Bear His Own Cross ?
According To John 19 ; 17 Yashua ( Jesus ) Carried His Own Cross .
John 19 ; 17 <>They took Jesus therefore: and he went out, bearing the cross for himself, unto the place called The place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha:
It Is Clear That According To John 19 ; 17 Yashua Bared His Own Cross , Even If Simeon ( 17 B.C. - 46 A.D. ) Had A Good Night's Sleep And Ate A Good Meal The Next Day . He Still Wouldn't Have The Strength To Carry A Cross Of That Size And Weight Yashua And Simeon Together Couldn't Even Carry The Cross All The Way To Calvary , ( According To '' Jerusalem '' , By Colin Thuborn , On Page 91 , It States ; The Traditional Route Of Christ To Calvary Begins At The Convent Of The Sisters Of Zion , Near The Ruins Of Antonia -- The Fortress Raised By Herod On A Scarp Above The Temple . ) . < This Means He Would Have To Carry The Cross Approximately 1,775 Feet Or 0.3195 Miles . Now , The So - Called Self Righteous Among You Will Try To Say That Because Jesus Was The Son Of God , He Was Super Human , And He Had Super Human Strength . However According To Your Bible He Was Reduced To A Man . He Was Starved , Then Scourged Meaning Whipped . John 19 ; 1 <> Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him.
Then Made To Carry The Cross John 19 ; 17 . So , Even With The Help Of Simeon . It Would Have Taken Samson To Carry A Cross That Size , Weight , And Distance .

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

Well Elijah, from what I could decipher of your last post, I can say that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Crucifixtion, the methods and tools used are historically documented, forensically tested, and fully understood by science. Your claims that such and such could not happen, etc, are bogus and grounded in wishful thinking rather than the evidence.

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Nobby · Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject:

Fake, you prove to me that the executioners and guards mothers weren't married Question

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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7003 Location: USA

I think the point was Fake, is that you referred to them as bastards without evidence to thier parentage.

Kinda funny if you ask me....

Now then;