God's Holy 7th Day Sabbath in Genesis

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

We are saved by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus did not do away with the commandments though and in Romans Paul speaks to us concerning sin but his meaning here is clear, Romans 3 verse 27 What occasion is there then for boasting? It is ruled out. By what law, the law of works? Not at all! By the law of faith. For we hold that a man is Justified by faith apart from observance of the law. Does God belong to the Jews alone? Is he not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles, too. It is the same God who justifies the circumcised and the uncircumcised on the basis of faith. ARE WE THEN ABOLISHING THE LAW BY MEANS OF FAITH? NOT AT ALL! ON THE CONTRARY, WE ARE CONFIRMING THE LAW
In the Hebrew mind, breaking a commandment would mean death. To the new followers of Jesus it meant that we would not die because of sin as the Hebrew did, because of the sacrafice of Jesus, our sins are forgiven, or we are justified by faith.

Zathrus · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject:

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Which means exactly what I said, we are not under the death penalty for breaking the commandments because of the sacrafice of Jesus we are forgiven. Which also means the ten commandments are still binding. If we do not have a standard of laws to base our lives on how do we know if we sin or not, or do you just want to do as you please and claim forgiveness through the gift Jesus gave us. Would you not call this just a wee bit selfish.

Zathrus · Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:37 pm Post subject:

That's what I thought. You are essentially agreeing with me when I say we are not under the law. If we are under it but there is no punishment for breaking it as you say, then it has absolutely no power. We're effectively free from it. It's more a matter of semantics that you're disagreeing with me about.

Don't get me wrong, there are natural consequences for doing many of the things that the law said "Thou shalt not...". But we are not talking about natural consequences for doing foolish or hateful things, we are talking about whether God holds us to a behavioral standard in order to be right with Him and punishes those who fall short of that standard. We both seem to agree that because of Jesus, He does not.

Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

So what does this mean to you?
1 John 2:1-10
1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for[1] the sins of the whole world.
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[2] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
7Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him[3] to make him stumble.

Zathrus · Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:38 am Post subject:

When John wrote of obeying God's commands, he was not writing of adhering to old testament Mosaic laws. That would contradict a wealth of the teaching in the new testament. John listed the commandments he was writing of in his epistle.

And in saying he wrote no new commandment, but the word that they had from the beginning, yet he did write a new commandment, he was referring to the principle of loving one another. Love is the fulfillment of the law, and it was the message we've had since the beginning.
John even elaborates on this in verses 9 and 10.

Consistently, in my observation, and I believe from the record of scripture, one's life will in many ways parallel the principles given in the law if one has God's love.
But, again in my observation, and from the record of scripture, if one just sets out to obey a set of laws, that in no way means one will have the love of God. In fact, consistently, it leads to the exact opposite result. One has only to look at the Pharisees, and at many religious people today.

Bridget, you've written over in the Viewpoints site of your experience when you became born again. Did it make you realize all the things you were supposed to do to please God, or did it make you want to live your life differently, for God? I think you were released that day to truly be the person God created you to be, not brought under a lot of "thou shalts" and "thou shalt not's".

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

Hey, I hate to jump in with a different topic, but something Bridget said in this thread caught my eye:

Bridget said:

Raoooul · Kitten Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 128

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6845 Location: USA

Respectfully, I was not referring to nor questioning scriptural uses of the word 'lord'. I was inquiring specifically as to Bridget's use of the term 'Lord' in connection with Jesus.

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:39 pm Post subject:

Raoooul · Kitten Joined: 10 Jul 2004 Posts: 128

saved_by_grace · Sea Monkey Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 14

Here's an interesting link that I found.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=32470

Here's just one quote from the article that will blow your mind:

According to Exodus 12:3, 5-6, 24, and Leviticus 23:15, the 10th, 14th and 16th of Abib could never be Sabbaths, because they were work days by specific command; real work like cleaning house, butchering cattle, and reaping fields. We know these dates would fall on Saturday once every seven years, and if Saturday were the Sabbath, there would be a conflict of commands. There would be three dates on which Israel is Commanded to work, that would fall every seventh year on days in which Israel was Commanded not to work. How could this be? We know that never happened, because God is Not the author of confusion.

We have now shown by Scripture, and the calendar disclosed therein, that Israel's Sabbaths were fixed to fall on the same dates of the month every year. With these fifteen regular Sabbaths coming on the same dates every year, and the three commanded work days coming on the same dates every year, It is IMPOSSIBLE for Saturday to have been the ?Sabbath Day?!

Silver Surfer