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pastor2022
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Acts 2:46-47 (KJV)46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 5:42 (KJV) And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
In the early church, they worshipped every day. I think that's a pretty good example even for today.
Romans 14:5 (GW) One person decides that one day is holier than another. Another person decides that all days are the same. Every person must make his own decision.
Romans 14:6 (GW) When people observe a special day, they observe it to honor the Lord. When people eat all kinds of foods, they honor the Lord as they eat, since they give thanks to God. Vegetarians also honor the Lord when they eat, and they, too, give thanks to God.
Colossians 2:16 (GW) Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.
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JB
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Pastor2022,
Excellent post. But I doubt that they will listen.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| Nobby wrote: | | SS wrote: | | Sin, is defined as breaking any one of God's Laws. |
Does that you obey all 600+ laws?
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Christ ONLY wrote 10 commandments, on Mt. Sinai.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Christ ONLY wrote 10 commandments, on Mt. Sinai. |
This is not going to fly, brother Surfer.
Mal 4:
| Quote: | | 4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. |
The rest of those 600+ laws were given by God Allmighty. If anything, that should cause them to carry more weight than those written by His Son since Jesus said "My Father is greater than I".
And you and your Adventist friends on these boards have said yourselves that you think Christians are liable to keep all the rest of the laws of the old testament, except the ones Adventism believes were fulfilled by Christ's death on the cross, namely animal sacrifices and such. So the "Christ only wrote 10" excuse is just that - an excuse to win an argument, not to actually reach the truth.
And furthermore, there are threads in the 10 commandments forum where it is shown that the commamndments which Jesus told Israel during His ministry that they needed to keep were not limited to the 10 given on Mt Sinai only. He gave examples of commandments from other parts of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which He told them they were to keep if they wanted to do something to gain eternal life.
Nobby's question still stands. Do you keep every last one?
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YLTYLT
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | without Law, there is no freedom.
That is why, the Gospel message includes God's Laws.
Salvation, is not possible without God's Laws.
Sin, is defined as breaking any one of God's Laws.
Maybe that is why God calls HIS Laws, the Law of Liberty (James 2:10-12). |
The law of Liberty is not the same as "The Law". "The Law" (which includes the 10 Commandments) was a list of commands, that if we disoboeyed, would be considered sin. It was put there to show us that we all sin. Everyone does - Christians included. "If you say you have no sin you are a liar"
The law of liberty cannot possibly mean "The Law". The simple definition of the word "liberty", would clear that up.
Galatians 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Paul lets the Galatians know that they have been given liberty, but that should not use this liberty for the flesh. If The "law of Liberty" was the same as "The Law", then this Paul's charge to NOT use "The LAW" "for an occasion to the flesh" would not make sense. This would be an abuse or disobedience of "The LAW".
And yet in the same context he calls them brethren, In other words, He says they are saved, even though they are abusing "The LAW" by their use if the law of Liberty.
Liberty means freedom from rules: see definition from Dictionary.com below
lib·er·ty
–noun, plural -ties. 1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2. freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.
4. freedom from captivity, confinement, or physical restraint: The prisoner soon regained his liberty.
5. permission granted to a sailor, esp. in the navy, to go ashore.
6. freedom or right to frequent or use a place: The visitors were given the liberty of the city. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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SS: | Quote: | | Christ ONLY wrote 10 commandments, on Mt. Sinai. |
Do you disregard all the commands of Jesus, in the New Testament because they were not written on stone?
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to [b]observe all things [/b]whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
for example: Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| SS, have you read the commands of Christ that are the words of Jesus, spoken in the gospels of Matthew, Mark , Luke and John??? |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | SS, have you read the commands of Christ that are the words of Jesus, spoken in the gospels of Matthew, Mark , Luke and John??? |
You mean like......
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Which is confirmed later in Revelation....... 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Jesus kept the commandments (John 15:10), and HE went to heaven, right ?
I prefer to think Jesus knew what HE was talking about.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | for example: Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. |
And how does the Bible define Righteousness ?
119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness.
119:173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law [is] my delight.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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SS, you did not answer my question:Do you disregard all the commands of Jesus, in the New Testament because they were not written on stone?
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | SS, you did not answer my question:Do you disregard all the commands of Jesus, in the New Testament because they were not written on stone? |
NO.
The New testament commandments, are the same as the OT's.
With some added, of course to the OT commandments.
Of course, a person has to be able to understand which are the Laws of Moses (as some were abolished) and which are the Laws Christ wrote out HIMSELF, on Mt. Sinai....which will be used on the Day of God's Judgment,, regarding Christians.
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Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. |
Thiis statement of Christ's includes both the OT and the NT, as it is ALL the word of God, both testaments.
One cannot be understood, without the other.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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SS: | Quote: | | The New testament commandments, are the same as the OT's. |
yes and no, the OT applied to outward actions, the NT applies to inward motives.
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14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | JonMarie wrote: | | SS, you did not answer my question:Do you disregard all the commands of Jesus, in the New Testament because they were not written on stone? |
NO.
The New testament commandments, are the same as the OT's.
With some added, of course to the OT commandments.
Of course, a person has to be able to understand which are the Laws of Moses (as some were abolished) and which are the Laws Christ wrote out HIMSELF, on Mt. Sinai....which will be used on the Day of God's Judgment,, regarding Christians.
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Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. |
Thiis statement of Christ's includes both the OT and the NT, as it is ALL the word of God, both testaments.
One cannot be understood, without the other. |
Maybe you should keep a journal.
Then you could keep it all straight.
Or maybe, you could just celebrate the sabbath on Saturday. That would take care of it all!
Matthew 22
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Just a suggestion.
I'm still praying for ya! 
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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Pastor2022 quoted -Colossians 2:16 (GW) Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.
Silver, what does this verse mean to you, if anything ?
Or do you feel that it does not apply to you because of the group of people being addressed?
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | SS: | Quote: | | The New testament commandments, are the same as the OT's. |
yes and no, the OT applied to outward actions, the NT applies to inward motives. |
I believe that that is a wrong conclusion.
BOTH the OT and the NT shnow that the motive for observing the OT commandments are the same, as applioed to the NT commandments.
Deut. 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Both of these Bible verses are found in the OT, as well as the NT.
AND...the motive is always based on LOVE.
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