Who Stole America?

Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

America is supposed to have been a free organization of free people, but that's not what the administration has become.

Who stole the administration of America away from Americans? I believe it was the Preacher, acting on orders from the Catholic church. The preachers and other officials have sold us out! They have established chaos in the place of order, and now mercenaries are in charge of more and more authority.

America is ripe for a grass roots revival, but the preachers are right there at the pulpits, trying to stop that from happening. They encourage the people to remain in slumber while their rights are being taken away from them. They teach that it is wrong to think about your rights, because that is "carnal thinking". So they want to keep the country, and the world in bondage.

First Century Christians pooled their assets, and they were answerable to no administration other than the word of God. They became a nation, but the Pharisees were able to infiltrate our nation, and divide us over doctrines. Today, these Pharisees are called preachers, and how many denominations have they formed?

More important than the number of denominations is the satanic philosophy of "doctrine first, truth later" that they promote. Two preachers will have a mock battle with one another, when they are actually on the same side. Each one promotes his own doctrine, and condemns the doctrine of his "opponent" but actually they are both on the same side. What side? They are on the side of getting us all caught up in thinking about doctrines. If we are kept busy asking which preacher has the best doctrine, then we'll forget Jesus' simple command - love each other and do what is right!

They want us lost in a world of theories and concepts, while oppressors take away the reigns of power, which should belong to Christ and His People. This satanic system must be condemned openly.

In this age of globalization of economic and political power, it is vital that those with God's word in their hearts learn how to unite and empower themselves. But the preachers are trying to divide us, and keep us powerless, while mercenaries are taking up more and more authority, now on a global scale. What will become of the world if people continue to support the false preacher?

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1257 Location: US

I always heard that religion and politics don't mix. But in my house, they were both hotly debated subjects among the adults.

Are you trying to suggest, though, that religion has a much bigger hand in the politics of this nation than the average person realizes?

What about separation of church and state? And can such a huge entity as religion truly be separate from the government while enjoying tax-exempt status? Churches are considered non-profit but some of them (not all of them, mind you) tend to rake in a lot of money.

Are you suggesting that religion and the government are in bed together?

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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

Religion and government belong to the same system, and are part of the same strategy. Consider the history of America - first come the pilgrims, then the soldiers, the the traders, then the politicians.

Politics builds on the foundation created by religion. The religious leaders are the ones who establish the political system, and then politicians vie for supremacy, to rule in the offices that religion has created.

All States in the world can only exist because of the will of the people. Normally, this would result in good, true government, but it is possible to steal government from the people. This can only be done by religious indoctrination, causing people to doubt themselves so that they will accept the preacher's version of reality. The preacher teaches them to scorn their roots in nature, as denizens of the earth. He teaches them to think as citizens of secular systems. He teaches them to disregard their mother earth, and give that solemn reverence of mother to the harlot, Babylon - the secular world system. This is the basis of religion.

Their only goal is to divide and conquer. They discredit the true, natural government of Christ, and establish religion in its place. They teach the people to hate their true mother and revere the harlot. This way, the people are divided, and the politicians are able to control the ragtag diaspora that is left behind.

We must stand up for nature; she is our mother. Honor your mother and father, that your days may be long in the land. We must leave Babylon, so that we do not share in her punishment.

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1257 Location: US

Do you believe that any church has anything good to offer or are you diametrically opposed to all religions?

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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

Religion is an illusion, therefore it has nothing to offer. But the good people who go to that building every week do have a lot to offer. They do a lot of good, and they do give a lot of the glory to the church, which does not exist.

Therefore the churches are only vampires, sucking our blood, and taking power and glory away from the true Church.

What business has God's word to do with Beliar?

ShardikSon · Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

Who is Beliar?
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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

The Devil. I was alluding to a statement made by Paul - 2 Corinthians 6:15:

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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

ShardikSon · Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:19 am Post subject:

Let's talk about your comment:
Religion is the antithesis of spirituality a moment.
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Defining Religion

There are many spiritual people who are also religious, as there are religious people who are NOT spiritual.

Not all preachers are as you say.
Religion, in itself, is not the problem.
The problem is in the hearts of the people leading a particular organization.
When a group of people get together, they have a tendancy to organize. When that happens, those with particular talents get particular jobs.

Unfortunately, people with leadership skills need to have a way to remain humble, or they start taking themselves too seriously, and forget where their true talent and authority comes from.
And the people who are follwing tend to just let the leaders lead, and forget that the leaders are supposed to be accountable to the followers, as well as the one above.

As to your original question:
No one stole America. It was given away, freely.

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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

Thanks Shardikson, for your comments. You have raised the old question of who is going to police the police - who will keep the leaders in check.

As you have correctly stated, systems are put in place for one purpose - to organize. Therefore those who establish systems are agreeing that there is a need for organization. They are saying that there exists, prior to the religion, a lack of organization.

Obviously God is organized, and God's word is the only correct definition for organization, since any other "organization" would be disorganized - and hence there can be no organization other than God's word. So when people create any system, including a religion, which is designed or intended to organize that which they believe lacks organization, they are agreeing among themselves that God is not at the center before the religion. So the purpose of religion is supposedly (according to its adherents) to bring God's order to a place where it was not before.

Now God has said that wherever He is, His order is there too, since He will not live in chaos and disorder. God has also explained that He is Spirit, and therefore must be worshiped in Spirit and Truth.

Since the purpose of religion is to organize around God's word, then the people who organize in this way must not have been in God's word before the religion. Therefore, if they were not in God's word, how can they know how to organize around God's word? How can the religion be validated by those who need a religion, when the whole reason why they need the religion is that they lack God?

So you see we have a chicken and egg paradox. Humanly speaking, it is impossible to get past this paradox. This paradox alone is able to destroy every single religion, and other human systems of external control.

But God's system - nature, is the only one that provides the solution to which came first, the chicken or the egg. The chicken came first. The tree came first before the seed. And man must come first before any system.

In human nature, it is acceptable to have a plan, but it is always open for re-planning. This is the natural order that God has created. But the religions and their followers are trying to disarrange this elemental, divine order.

-- QED

Key of Twilight · Big Hamster Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 97

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, however, I get a little confused. You are totally against churches or the system behind the churches or any organized religion or against religion all together? What does it even mean to be against religion?

My question is Are we not called to congregate together and worship? If we are in what form can we do this? If we all gather in one building for the purpose of fellowship and worship does it not them become a church? So now we have a church but no one to lead us how are we going to worship? We could sing hymns but who is going to pick which ones we sing, we could read from the bible but then who decides what we read? A leader is needed in this church so we find one. Now we have a leader but who is going to "police" our leader and make sure he does not lead us his flock astray? If there were no system to police our leaders the religion we have built up would fall into shambles insanely fast people would be preaching ungodly thing. The system would fall apart and we would be back at step one wondering in what way we should come together and worship.

Now I have no reverence for the pope or any other religious leader for that fact. I see all of them as teachers and so they should be treated not as holy idols. They are all human too.

So we have a system for policing our teachers and policing the police etc., but as soon as you start getting towards the top of the chain there are less and less people policing the actions of our leaders. The very "top" many consider is the pope, but who is there to police the pope? We should be led by a council of elders that work in a democracy with no one elder having more control than the next. The elders should be from different countries and of different denominations and of different races. The elders would be voted in and have terms of service having elections every so many years. This council should work towards settling our disputes and bringing us all together as on people of faith.

Our system is a broken one and it is obvious and I know i am an idealist but I cannot believe that we would survive with no system at all. My opinion is "Like it or Fix it"
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Virbate · Rattlesnake Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 436

Thanks Key of Twilight. You clearly see that the systems are false, but you don't want to admit it fully, and write them off, because you despair of the alternative.

Of course, this position of yours is quite typical. The religious and political misleaders in the world have been able to achieve their rank because they have first discredited nature. They have said: "There is no order in you, so you must obey our order." This gives them position in society, wealth, privilege and security. These are the people who hate it most of all when we teach the truth about nature, that it is divine, and that it lacks nothing.

So the first thing they do is discredit nature. But of course, all around us we can see that nature is the answer. We can see it working, so the preachers and misleaders have to convince their victims that nature is not doing those things that nature is actually doing. They steal nature's credit and give that credit to the systems they represent.

You have repeated some of the resulting teachings in your post. You referred to the natural principle of congregating, and then went on to explain how the religious leaders have stolen the credit away from nature. They say, and you have repeated: "It's not nature that makes us congregate, it's the religion. We need a place to meet, and an order... or their can be no meeting - it will break down without our order, because nature is chaotic." I can show you that political misleaders do the same thing.

It is only in times of revolution, where inspired leaders recognize the flaws in the old system, that we have true leadership. Contemporary examples are MLK (calling on the natural principle of equal rights), the US founding fathers (using the natural principle of freedom and representative government), and Mandela (the natural principle of equal rights). Moses and Jesus also used natural principles - the Torah and the Gospel (which is the ultimate natural reality - that the visible world comes from the invisible world).