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Pete
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| Joebob787 wrote: | Jesus technically rose again on Sunday. Sunday is the first day of the week.
Mark 16:9
9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. |
This verse should have a comma after "risen" and not after "week" to be consistent with verse two.
| Quote: | Luke 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. |
This has nothing to do with Sunday keeping
| Quote: | And this verse helps too!!
Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
This verse is about a convenient time, after six on Saturday evening ( by Roman calculation), for all the Christians, Jews and Gentiles, to come together for a common evening meal to hear Paul who would leave them early Sunday morning. It has nothing to do with Sunday observance. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | SS,
I agree w/you as far as why Sunday was picked as a day of worship. I don't see anywhere in scripture that they gathered because of Christ's resurrection. They simply gathered to fellowship, to be w/other believers.
This verse from Acts 2:46-47 -
46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
Seems they gathered every day. When Paul was in town, while they were gathering, Paul would preach to them as shown in Acts 20:7. Read closely, you'll see that the believers were already gathered (seems as if it was a customary practice in place already) & then Paul spoke w/them while he was there. |
Yes, in Chapter 20 of acts, we see that Paul held a meeting on the 1st day of the week.
The meeting was because Paul was going to Rome, and the people in that meeting knew that they would not see Paul again alive, on this earth......
Acts 20:35 I have showed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.
20:36 And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all.
20:37 And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him,
20:38 Sorrowing most of all for the words which he spake, that they should see his face no more. And they accompanied him unto the ship.
Paul was going to die, in Rome, and he told them so.
That was the reason for the 1st day of the week meeting.
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Are christians Under the moaic Law, SS?
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Pete
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
The 2 main deceptions out there are.......
#1.) That man/woman has an 'Immortal soul' (spirit) within himself/herself.
#2.) Sunday worship services, while rejecting the 7th day sabbath, as the day of worship.
On these 2, satan gains control of the Christian world.....
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Far and away, the main deception is the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | Are christians Under the moaic Law, SS? |
There are some still valid today...and some were abloished at the Cross of Jesus Christ.
Are there any laws found in the books of Moses that you can be specific about ?
We do know that the Sacrificial system is abolished, right ?
Because Jesus Christ WAS the supreme sacrifice, right ?
I hope you ...do not...include the 10 commandments, in the Law of Moses.
Because they were in effect, WAY BEFORE Moses was ever born !!!
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Evee
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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SS,
I think you might be reading too much into this passage. Look closely at the first part of 20:7. It states:
7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
I think the word "when" is a key word here. From the phrasing, it seems more customary then just calling a special meeting. I agree it was considered a special gathering because they knew Paul was going to leave them the next day, hence why he spoke till midnight (he wanted to get it all in before he left  ) but it doesn't read as if they gathered specifically for that purpose. Besides, this verse is when Paul was in Troas.
The latter part of the chapter is when he had already sailed to Miletus. He was speaking to the Ephesus elders at the end of the chapter.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | SS,
I think you might be reading too much into this passage. Look closely at the first part of 20:7. It states:
7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
I think the word "when" is a key word here. From the phrasing, it seems more customary then just calling a special meeting. |
OK, you used the word, 'custom'.
Is custom, something you do often ?
OR, is custom something you do only once in a while ?
The Book of Acts has already stated that Paul's manner (custom ? ) was to keep the 7th day sabbath......
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Did either one of you Two read my post about the Sabbath early?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | Did either one of you Two read my post about the Sabbath early? |
Which one ?
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Joebob787"] | Quote: | Leviticus 23:15
And you shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Leviticus 23:16
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall you number fifty days; and you shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
The counting begins with the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. Since the Passover is seven days long, only one of those days can be the Sabbath. Therefore, Leviticus 23:15 tells us to begin counting on the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. We are told to count seven Sabbaths. This means seven weeks are counted and each week ends on a Sabbath day, which amounts to 49 days for the seven weeks.
Then, Leviticus 23:16 tells us to count the day after the seventh Sabbath (of the seventh week), thus adding one day to the 49 days, bringing the total number of days to 50 days. The prophecy then informs us that we will have to offer a new meat offering to the Lord.
The old meat offering is the Passover Lamb that had to be killed for the sins of the people. The new meat offering is the new Passover Lamb named Jesus, who was killed for the sins of the people. John the Baptist labeled Jesus ‘the Lamb of God’, which completes our understanding of the prophecy.
Elsewhere in the New Testament, the Apostles referred to Jesus as our ‘Passover’. Therefore, the Old Testament prophecy foretold us that the day of worship, concerning the New Testament Times when Jesus would be the Lamb offering, would be the day after the Sabbath or on a Sunday |
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Evee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| SS wrote: | OK, you used the word, 'custom'.
Is custom, something you do often ?
OR, is custom something you do only once in a while ?
The Book of Acts has already stated that Paul's manner (custom ? ) was to keep the 7th day sabbath......
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, |
Customary is something that's done often. I agree that Paul's custom was to observe 7th day Sabbath. The Gentiles however were not ordered to keep this observance were they? Perhaps a reading of Acts 15 would help.
5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."
6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the miraculous signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13When they finished, James spoke up: "Brothers, listen to me. 14Simon[a] has described to us how God at first showed his concern by taking from the Gentiles a people for himself. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16" 'After this I will return
and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17that the remnant of men may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
18that have been known for ages.[c]
19"[b]It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
Isn't this clear that the Gentiles are not obligated to observe the Sabbath so strictly?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Evee wrote: | | SS wrote: | OK, you used the word, 'custom'.
Is custom, something you do often ?
OR, is custom something you do only once in a while ?
The Book of Acts has already stated that Paul's manner (custom ? ) was to keep the 7th day sabbath......
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, |
Customary is something that's done often. I agree that Paul's custom was to observe 7th day Sabbath. The Gentiles however were not ordered to keep this observance were they?
Isn't this clear that the Gentiles are not obligated to observe the Sabbath so strictly? |
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
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Pete
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
[color=blue]Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
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My KJV has a footnote that states that "the next sabbath" in v. 42 should be translated "in the week between sabbaths" |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
[color=blue]Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
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My KJV has a footnote that states that "the next sabbath" in v. 42 should be translated "in the week between sabbaths" |
OK...what do think that means, 'in between' ?
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