John the Baptist

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: John the Baptist

Who is this guy?

Jesus said that John is the messenger which is sent "before" him into the wilderness to preach the coming of the kingdom of God.

Is that all he was? Is John just a prophet?
Jesus says he was much more than a prophet..

much more than...what could that mean?

any thoughts?

hugs
lone

Zathrus · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:55 am Post subject:

A great topic, Lone!

John was more than a prophet, or had a greater role than the old testament prophets because he was one of the key figures on God's plan of salvation, along wth Jesus and the apostles. God chose him to a very special purpose and role in His plan.

John prepared the way of the Lord, Jesus died for man's sin, and the apostles proclaimed the message of the gospel after Jesus' redemptive work.

The prophets foretold of the work of salvation that God would one day bring to pass, but John was actually appointed to prepare the way for it.

His message was also different from that of the prophets. Many of the prophets wrote that what God revealed He was going to do was a long time off yet. John was the first to be sent with the message that the time had come and the fullfillment was near.

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject:

Awesome Zathrus!

I believe everything in the NT reveals exactly what took place in the OT.

What if John represents Jehovah who brought the message to Moses to show the people the Law.
The reason I say this is because John is a type which parted the hmm Jordan/Sea which became filled with the "sins" of the people who followed him into and through it in Baptism.
Also it is John who goes to the Herod and lays down the law telling him he should not have Phillips wife for his own wife.
So I see a "lawmaker" in John who brought the people out of Egypt through baptism of the sea which became as blood with their sins "like the Egyptians were the sinners but they came out clean".
those who were not my people.. Idea

And John was beheaded for the word of God, Just as the people in the wilderness "beheaded or removed Jehovah's head/leadership over them and chose to lead themselves through works and not his spirit.

And so when John was gone..the law which Jehovah gave the people, then the baton or Spirit was laid upon Jesus to pick up where John left off..the transition.

So does Jehovah represent Jesus' Father, His Brother/kinsman John, or Himself?
Or can all three be the same spirit working all in all?

Those who came out of Egypt were as the Egyptians in that they had accustomed themselves to their lifestyles, their ways of life.
As Lot's wife turned to see the destruction of Sodom, so did those who were called out of Egypt have their hearts turned back to it.
So in the NT we see John/Jehovah calling those in Egypt?under oppression to come out and go through the red sea/be baptised and leave their sins behind..the ways of the Egyptians. And we see Jesus who is the word that God promised them of entering into a land with milk and honey fulfilled when we enter into the Lord himself in His Day.

what do you think?

And then what follows in acts is spiritual fulfillment for those who walked by the spirit and not the flesh in the wilderness after coming through the red sea, which represents the blood of the lamb which was shed and covered overed, or overflowed those that were drowned in it.

Like when Pharaoh and his chosen captains went into the red sea after the Hebrews and multitudes of others did, then these would represent the Pharisees and scribes who did not follow Johns instructions which came from God, but were swallowed up by the waters or God's wrath..which I see as those demons who entered into the swine and ran headlong into the waters and perished.
They was found no more.

hmm..
still thinking..
hugs Zathrus
lone

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Zathrus · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 6:12 am Post subject:

I think you're on to it, Lone.
God revealed this through Malachi about John's ministry:

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:

Zathrus!

The cloud by day and the fire by night..
and I will give them a fiery law..
a cloud which covers (washes, cleans conscience) their sins and a fiery law which burns their hearts..

Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

opened their eyes..scriptures..eyes of the Lord..
thinking out loud here.. Very Happy

Christopher_John · Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:26 am Post subject:

Chrissie · Not So Newbie Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 6

Very interesting thread. Exclamation

I think I will have to read it again to take it all in. Embarassed

One question, though.

Christopher,

Why do you say that

14And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

is stated in the "future tense"? I don't read it that way.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject:

Mar 6:17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Patmos:

Patmos = "my killing"

1) a rugged and bare island in the Aegean Sea

Mat 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Jhn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Jhn 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

2Ti 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto [them] all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Rev 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Who sent John to baptize with water?
Is this the same John who recieved the testimony of Christ?
Is this the same John who was in prison in patmos whom Herod held prisoner and beheaded?

Did John recieve the testimony before he met Jesus?
Was the book of revelation given to John before Jesus was made known to the world?

Was this same testimony given to Paul?

The testimony of Christ is the spirit of prophecy..
Did John prophecy of Christ and that is why when he speaks to the pharisees he John says:

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Had they already heard the book of revelation which was given to John?
And if so, who did they here it from?
And why did John not suffer them to be baptised?

1Th 1:5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake. Confused or disgusted

1Th 1:6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost:
1Th 1:7 So that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.
1Th 1:8 For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad; so that we need not to speak any thing.
1Th 1:9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

which "delivered us" from the wrath to come..hmm

so, having been delivered from the wrath to come, is the book of revelation still in effect, or did Jesus deliver us all from it?

Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save [them]. And they went to another village.

thinking.. Very Happy

hugs
lone

Christopher_John · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: